Why is the Pope Endorsing Same Sex Unions in Film

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MarkRome said:
if someone is dying in the hospital of COVID-19, only family members are allowed to be in the room with them.
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Is this really true? Maybe for covid, but this argument has been raised before the current panic. I have been to many hospitals visiting family and friends, and have never been asked to provide ID or justify my reason for being there. I even rode in an ambulance with a fellow parishioner who collapsed at Mass, and went to the ER with him because he had no family in the area - and no one questioned it.
 
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Lets just take this one step further.

Since as Catholics, unless we are married in the Church or later have a marriage that was done outside the Church recognized by the Church, it doesn’t meet the requirements of the sacrament.

Should we as a society ban second, third and so on marriages, take away any legal status they have. After all, those are just as sinful as a homosexual civil union.

If the Church hasn’t given the annulment, then it is all just adultery after the first one.

If folks want to take a hard line on the sinners, by golly lets do it, I am all for that, being that I am in my one and only marriage.

The Pope didn’t say he agreed with same sex unions, he didn’t say the Church is changing it’s position, he simply said that we should recognize people need family and love.
 
MarkRome said:
The Church often speaks of children as having a “right to know their parents”. Homosexuals have a right to their parents, to their siblings and just because they are homosexual, they shouldn’t be cast out as is too often the case.
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Yes they have a right to their parents and their siblings I 100% agree…

…however in what world does one need to enter into a same sex civil coexistence (union) to be recognized by their parents and siblings?

Either you are quite naive or you know the correct answer, nobody needs to enter into a civil coexistence (union) to be recognized as a child by their parents or as a sibling by their siblings.

So again I ask what kind of family does a same sex couple who enter into a civil coexistence (union) seek?
 
CathBoy1 said:
…however in what world does one need to enter into a same sex civil coexistence (union) to be recognized by their parents and siblings?

Either you are quite naive
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Really, name calling? Ad hominems are poor arguments my friend.

Where did I say “recognized” by the parents/siblings? Never said that.
 
Seriously?

My wife and I are not blood relatives, we couldn’t be and get married, unless we lived in Arkansas, or Mississippi maybe.

We are married, and the sacrament is what made us one flesh, not blood relation. I can divorce her and sever that bond legally, or get an annulment and sever it through the Church.

I can not divorce my mother, son, or siblings and sever our blood relationship.

Please don’t derail the thread any further with this nonsense.
 
You’re missing the point. Fornicators and adulterers should be condemned just as heartily as gays.
 
MarkRome said:
Really, name calling? Ad hominems are poor arguments my friend
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Suggesting that you may be naive is not name calling my friend.
MarkRome said:
Where did I say “recognized” by the parents/siblings? Never said that.
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I asked:
CathBoy1 said:
What kind of family does a same sex couple who enter into a civil coexistence (union) seek?
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You replied:
MarkRome said:
The Church often speaks of children as having a “right to know their parents”. Homosexuals have a right to their parents and to their siblings. Just because they are homosexual, they shouldn’t be cast out as is too often the case.
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Which suggests that same sex couples enter into civil coexistence (union) to be recognized, excepted, etc. by their parents and siblings.

If that isn’t what you meant please enlighten me.
 
Right, but Catholics and Christians aren’t up in arms about people “supporting” fornicators because people are allowing them to legally rent together, to be present at each others’ side at deaths, inherit each others’ property, etc. That sort of denial of rights is being reserved for gay folks.
 
The other issue is already an issue. What you’re (proverbial you) trying to do is stop gays from having the same rights as straight folks because we’ve resigned ourselves as a society to the fact that straight, unmarried people live together and we can’t put a limit on their rights, just as we shouldn’t put a different limit on the rights of gay folks in a FREE country. But this argument is going nowhere. I’m done with it. Please let’s not continue. It’s already gotten quite hostile and I closed out my social media and quit watching TV to get away from the debates and hostility.

God bless,
 
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No, there are straight, unmarried folks, or straight folks in civil unions/non-church marriages who have more rights that gay folks didn’t before Marriage Equality was enacted in the USA.

Have a good day.
 
The fact that until the Church grants the annulment, you are still considered married by the Church and are not free to marry again, until the annulment is granted would indicate that the Church presumes that you are married.

Great, so unless someone is in a valid Catholic marriage, they will have no rights other than what friends might have. Civil marriage is not sacramental marriage and so they should have no rights or privileges.
 
CathBoy1 said:
Suggesting that you may be naive is not name calling my friend.
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Yes, it is. And I won’t have any discussion with those who do it.
CathBoy1 said:
Which suggests that same sex couples enter into civil coexistence (union) to be recognized, excepted, etc. by their parents and siblings.
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No, it doesn’t suggest that. That’s your spin.

Over and out. God bless.
 
The media twisted it by mashing what the pope said. He meant that parents shouldn’t throw out their children if their gay,
 
Here’s another example of Pope Francis using the phrase “civil coexistence” from June 25th in a Tweet:
"Let us begin anew from the numerous examples of generous, freely-given love, which in these months have shown us how much closeness, care, and sacrifice are needed to nourish fraternity and civil coexistence. In this way, we will emerge from this crisis stronger.’

He also uses the word “coexistence” five times in his encyclical Fratelli tutti
http://www.vatican.va/content/franc...ncesco_20201003_enciclica-fratelli-tutti.html
 
MarkRome said:
Yes, it is. And I won’t have any discussion with those who do it.
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I’m sorry you feel that way, however it was not my intention to name call.
MarkRome said:
No, it doesn’t suggest that. That’s your spin.
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That’s why I said it suggests that, and then I asked you to enlighten me and clarify your position which you apparently are still refusing to do.

I suspect you are refusing to clarify because you are aware there is no correct way one can interpret what Pope Francis has said and for some it isn’t easy to simply admit that what he said is wrong.

The fact is people say the wrong thing all the time, I know I myself have, however when we do, or say something wrong we’re giving the opportunity to clarify, own up to, admit that we are wrong, etc.
I pray Pope Francis has the courage to do just that.

God Bless you brother.
 
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