Why is the Pope Endorsing Same Sex Unions in Film

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I’ve tried to give Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt. But I’ve given so many chances. Don’t worry I’m not gonna become a sede or sspx member. We should all just pray for him. Remember, many holy people, the Bible and the current catechism, say that the Church will go thru a trial at the end of times…
 
I hope those of you upset by this story will understand better when people buy into a Michael Moore documentary hook line and sinker.

The Pope did not make any sort of “call.” He made one statement about a type of civil union that would keep people legally covered. What does that mean? I do not know. He made one statement. I guess you can believe what you want, or what your movie producer tells you to believe.
 
Do we not have a duty to oppose even civil recognition for homosexual relationships, though, as Catholics? I’m not sure, just wondering…
As for what Pope Francis said, I hope you’re right but you’re definitely being more optimistic and charitable than I am on this.
 
I guess that’s the problem, one statement, it would be nice if he clarified sometimes.
 
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phil19034:
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No, it isn’t. It’s an observation from reading their own press, and the comments on this and other forums.
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You are basically calling anyone scandalized by this a schematic. That is a judgement that is 100% uncharitable.

Being upset with the Pope’s choice in words or thinking a Pope isn’t good at his job is not schematic.

Honestly, how many people are willing to say Pope Alexander VI was a good & holy Pope? I’m sure not many.

NOW - I’m not saying that Pope Francis is an unholy man, but he has caused confusion that the secular media has ran with several times now.

So he obviously either (a) wants to make a mess on purpose - which he once stated he likes to do; or (b) is obviously very bad at talking unscripted and needs to stop doing that.
 
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phil19034 said:
You are basically calling anyone scandalized by this a schematic.
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No, I’m not. I said nothing of the sort. You inferred that. Incorrectly, of course, and all on your lonesome.
 
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if we should support same sex civil unions we should support civil laws protecting abortion. That’s a fact.
 
sealabeag said:
Do we not have a duty to oppose even civil recognition for homosexual relationships, though, as Catholics? I’m not sure, just wondering…
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Insofar as they are homosexual, yes. But, if it’s just those legal privileges, there’s nothing about them inherent to marriage. There is nothing in Scripture or Sacred Tradition that says I can only file joint taxes with my husband.
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As for what Pope Francis said, I hope you’re right but you’re definitely being more optimistic and charitable than I am on this.
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All we have right now is a snippet of a documentary which, if I’m not mistaken, has not yet been published. We also do not know if or what the Vatican will say in response to this. As for optimism, we are to, as Catholics, assume charitable motives in others. We should hope that Pope Francis isn’t condoning homosexual relationships not just for the sake of the Church, but his soul.

As a Dominican, I am called to preach the truth. I am called to share the fruits of my contemplation. If I can offer some comfort to others with what I have said, if it will help others with viewing his words with charity until he clarifies, I will offer it.
 
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This faithful Catholic to true Catholicism isn’t upset or perturbed in the least, and applauds the Pope’s wisdom and Christ-like charity.

And be careful in taking it upon yourself to decide at your whim who is or isn’t a Catholic. Including the Pope himself.
 
mozartpc27 said:
That attitude is precisely the problem. First of all, all kinds of Church teachings have changed
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Such as?
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any organization that refuses outright to adapt as the world is revealed will eventually be lost to time, there are whole cultures and religions to attest to that.
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It is one thing to adapt to the changing world. It is entirely another to attempt to change immutable truth.
 
19 years ago next month, I was confirmed by a holy bishop. This bishop built my diocese from a dinky little backwater into a thriving and vibrant Church. I was hardly aware of the man’s magnificent accomplishments until his death last year.

The self-same bishop sent a circular letter to be read in all parishes, and my Newman Center community reluctantly read it from the pulpit at Mass. The subject was cohabitation. This sainted bishop spoke so strongly against couples cohabitating and the damage it does to relationships, to marriage, and to holiness. I was so proud of this bishop who was so brave and strong to go against the currents of modern culture and speak out against a very great evil.

If ever they open the cause for this bishop’s sainthood, I will be right there to vouch for his sanctity. Unfortunately, that will be a long time coming, because this same bishop was caught in a terrible scandal and forced to resign, convicted of charges and disgraced forever. What a waste.
 
And be really careful about assigning motives to people you don’t even know based solely on the fact that they disagree with your particular and personal opinion or private interpretation of the Faith.
 
But if you don’t agree with every teaching of the Magisterium, what’s the point of being Catholic? Part of being a good Catholic is agreeing with every teaching. You aren’t any better off following 99% of teachings if you obstinately deny the last 1%
 
Pope Francis is stating his personal opinion, he hasn’t changed Church teaching this is true…

…however as the leader of the Universal Church his words carry a certain amount of weight, Pope Francis shouldn’t continue making statements on his personal opinions when they are in direct conflict with Church teaching…

…he continues to give his personal opinions on such matters and he should not do that as it has caused great scandal, now there are those of you who will say he is trying to bring people back into the Church, he is trying to be charitable, he’s not very good at talking off the cuff…

…however at this point he continues to scandalize with his statements and it cannot be considered as him not being good at talking off the cuff, as he continues to do it and at this point he has to know well that he is scandalizing the Church with his own personal opinions…

…as far as trying to bring people back into the Church, conforming to society is not a good idea for the Church, people (seeking to be Christians) should conform to the Church, not the Church conforming to people…

…as of right now Pope Francis’ personal opinions change nothing in Church teaching, and as Pope he needs our prayers…

…however if the Church follows down this path, how long before we have a woman priesthood or openly gay bishops?

It’s a troubling thought, as of right now I pray for my beloved Church…

…for years I have teetered towards Holy Orthodoxy, and I have truly believed for years that the Church of Christ lies somewhere between East and West (the first thousand years of undivided Christianity), however if things continue down this trajectory, I fear I may be pushed over the edge and convinced of Holy Orthodoxy…

…I say I fear because I have always considered myself a devout Latin Catholic, and I have no personal desire to not be a Latin Catholic…

…so my fear is that my beloved Church is going down a path that I am not sure I can follow…

…for now I remain Latin Catholic and pray for our Church, She certainly needs our prayers.
 
Practicing homosexual sex is a mortal sin, leading a soul to hell if unrepented. Catholics may NEVER endorse a sin and a serious one at that.
This is the truth. And this IS charity.
 
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pnewton said:
I hope those of you upset by this story will understand better when people buy into a Michael Moore documentary hook line and sinker.
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I don’t think anyone is talking about the movie, they are talking about the exact words spoken by the Pope. Regardless of who filmed it, they are his words.
 
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