Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

[Lucretius]

And this is just working within Scripture. The Church Fathers have some very ruthlessly foul things to say about sodomy.

There is no precedence for homosexual practices being accepted.

Christi pax,

Lucretius

 

[catholic1seeks]

And this is just working within Scripture. The Church Fathers have some very ruthlessly foul things to say about sodomy.

There is no precedence for homosexual practices being accepted.

Christi pax,

Lucretius

Tell me what contexts they were writing in.

I can tell you write now the vast majority of them, and all of the biblical citations, are not referring to committed same-sex relationships

 

[catholic1seeks]

If people want to talk more about homosexuality a scripture, the thread “homosexuality and original sin” in the social justice forum has included a vast convo on this subject.
But we are getting past my initial purpose for this thread.

 

[Thorolfr]

God gave all of us crosses to bear in this life. We are to take up these crosses and live according to God’s laws (including His own laws of nature).

So why did God give some people very light crosses or almost no crosses at all and others very heavy crosses? Doesn’t seem very fair or just does it?

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

So some gay people want to marry so that they can mock Catholics?

More than “some” want to do just that.

 

[polki]

So why did God give some people very light crosses or almost no crosses at all and others very heavy crosses? Doesn’t seem very fair or just does it?

I am not able to speak for God. But I would say this 1) you can’t possibly know all the crosses people carry. 2) God wouldn’t give us anything we weren’t capable of handling because He’ll always help us through if we ask Him 3). Fair doesn’t mean "everyone gets the exact same thing " 4) Eye roll is uncalled for and uncharitable.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

So why did God give some people very light crosses or almost no crosses at all and others very heavy crosses? Doesn’t seem very fair or just does it?

God never promised us a rose garden. In fact if you believe what the bible says, Genesis Chapter 3 tells us that mankind should not expect anything but hard labor and toil.

Are you one of those who envy what their neighbor has (light crosses) and expects God to make everything equal…?

 

[catholic1seeks]

More than “some” want to do just that.

Um no, I am sorry, but gay people simply do not want the right to marry because they want to mock the Catholic doctrine on marriage. They probably care very little about what anyone in the Church thinks, since the Church is largely negative towards them.

 

[Thorolfr]

God never promised us a rose garden. In fact if you believe what the bible says, Genesis Chapter 3 tells us that mankind should not expect anything but hard labor and toil.

But if God is the one giving some people very heavy crosses on purpose (often through no fault of their own) while giving others very light crosses, it doesn’t seem like God is being very just. And yet the Bible says that God is just and wants us to be just:

Isaiah 30:18: For the Lord is a God of justice; blessed are all those who wait for him.

Isaiah 61:8: For I the Lord love justice,

Amos 5:24: But let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.

Micah 6:8: He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

So why would a just God allow some people to turn out gay and often be aware that they are different from a young age, and then force them to carry a heavy cross by demanding that they live celibate for their whole lives?

 

[catholic1seeks]

God never promised us a rose garden. In fact if you believe what the bible says, Genesis Chapter 3 tells us that mankind should not expect anything but hard labor and toil.

Are you one of those who envy what their neighbor has (light crosses) and expects God to make everything equal…?

Just because the Bible says something does not solve the matter as if there is no further reason to explore how the matter is reasonable. For example, if the Bible were to say that there exists evil in the world, that does not in itself solve the problem of evil.

 

[Neofight]

Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

It should be obvious.

The whole gay marriage issue is a direct mockery of the Catholic institution of Marriage as well as our 2000 years of tradition and teaching.

My feelings about same sex marriage are as strong as many Catholics, but I don’t get this, or the argument that it will destroy our marriages.

Of all the things that keep me up at night, the thought of my marriage having been weakened because homosexuals have been issued marriage licenses is not one of them.

And I find it hard to believe that of all the reasons for same sex couples to seek to enter into marriage, to mock the Catholic church doesn’t seem to be high on the list.

If they wanted to make a mockery of marriage, would they have fought for it themselves?

I’m just saying.

 

[prodromos]

Several Catholic organizations in the US seem to be uncomfortably and awkwardly preoccupied with gay issues. Catholic Answers Live, a radio show I love, sometimes has specific shows dedicated to same-sex marriage or homosexuality. I just switched on EWTN on my TV and the show was talking about the “militant homosexual agenda.” Catholic bloggers and articles are always dedicating topics on this issue; everytime I go to NewAdvent.org, there is a good chance I’ll see a highlighted article casting the issue in a severe light.

My question is, what is this emphasis on this issue meant to achieve? Is it supposed to help those gay persons who are already struggling to find a place in the Church? Is it supposed to convince the “militant homosexual” activists? Is it supposed to reach out to those in the Church and the world who disagree with church teaching and accept homosexual relationships? Or is it supposed to comfort those who already agree with church teaching?

Maybe I am just sensitive. But I do not see the point with this over-emphasis. I could see how such a preoccupation would turn away those from the Church, as it is making me really disappointed with the USA church’s outreach to those on the fringes.

The Church needs to speak out against it because once the gates are opened (which unfortunately they have been in the U.S.) the real agenda of criminalising the Christian viewpoint will gradually become established… Homosexuals area tiny minority in the grand scheme of things, but with the recognition of gay ‘marriage’, we will soon see priests being sued or jailed for discriminating against those who demand a Church wedding and don’t get one.
Make no mistake, this is a co-ordinated attack against Christianity, and this is just the beginning. Already the pedophiles are claiming that their attraction to children is natural and being descriminated against. Sodom and Gomorrah didn’t become the way they were overnight, and that is the way we are heading.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Um no, I am sorry, but gay people simply do not want the right to marry because they want to mock the Catholic doctrine on marriage.

Then why do so many gay couples have “open marriage” agreements in their pre-nuptial agreements? Apparently many gay couples do not intend to join in a faithful marriage.
This is a mockery not only to the Catholic Sacrament but to all marriages in general.

They probably care very little about what anyone in the Church thinks, since the Church is largely negative towards them.

Compared to Islam, the Catholic Church is a safe house for homosexuals…IF they are interested in religion at all.

 

[prodromos]

What are you talking about?

“Gay marriage advocates” are not “trying to teach kindergartners about sex”.

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I think you need to look at the new books which are a required part of the curriculum in the U.S. Gay relationships are most definitely being pushed at the kindergarten level. While not overtly discussing sex acts, they lay the groundwork in which it will be understood later.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

But if God is the one giving some people very heavy crosses on purpose (often through no fault of their own) while giving others very light crosses, it doesn’t seem like God is being very just. And yet the Bible says that God is just and wants us to be just:

Isaiah 30:18: For the Lord is a God of justice; blessed are all those who wait for him.

Isaiah 61:8: For I the Lord love justice,

Amos 5:24: But let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.

Micah 6:8: He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

So why would a just God allow some people to turn out gay and often be aware that they are different from a young age, and then force them to carry a heavy cross by demanding that they live celibate for their whole lives?

Maybe He didn’t force them to carry heavy crosses…maybe they chose their way and rejected His.

A loving and just God would not allow some people to turn out gay…and then condemn their behavior. It just does not male sense.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

My feelings about same sex marriage are as strong as many Catholics, but I don’t get this, or the argument that it will destroy our marriages.

Of all the things that keep me up at night, the thought of my marriage having been weakened because homosexuals have been issued marriage licenses is not one of them.

And I find it hard to believe that of all the reasons for same sex couples to seek to enter into marriage, to mock the Catholic church doesn’t seem to be high on the list.

If they wanted to make a mockery of marriage, would they have fought for it themselves?

I’m just saying.

The gay community could have worked to pass laws that would have granted them every right and benefit afforded to straight couples and call the relationship something other than marriage. But no…they had to have it called a marriage.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Just because the Bible says something does not solve the matter as if there is no further reason to explore how the matter is reasonable. For example, if the Bible were to say that there exists evil in the world, that does not in itself solve the problem of evil.

Right. It only recognizes that evil exists. The purpose of the Catholic Church is to solve the problem of evil…and homosexuality

 

[Arizona_Fat_Gir]

Gays will never be straight, straights will never be gay.I know a young man who plans to marry another man.

They live in San Francisco. My daughter is happy for them since one of them is her stepson. I doubt they would be inviting me. I would embarrass them.

Daughter always says “Now, behave yourself Mom…don’t embarrass us.” That’s because if I went to a gay wedding I would probably laugh at them. They would seem so silly to me because I was born at a time when people didn’t talk about being gay. That’s all they talk about today.

I could just hear myself at a gay wedding: I would probably say “you’ve got to be kidding! Which one is the bride?” or something like “Oh, it’s Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber.” Don’t mind me. I’m just having fun.

 

[David_Goliath]

Gays will never be straight, straights will never be gay.I know a young man who plans to marry another man.

They live in San Francisco. My daughter is happy for them since one of them is her stepson. I doubt they would be inviting me. I would embarrass them.

Daughter always says “Now, behave yourself Mom…don’t embarrass us.” That’s because if I went to a gay wedding I would probably laugh at them. They would seem so silly to me because I was born at a time when people didn’t talk about being gay. That’s all they talk about today.

I could just hear myself at a gay wedding: I would probably say “you’ve got to be kidding! Which one is the bride?” or something like “Oh, it’s Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber.” Don’t mind me. I’m just having fun.

Likewise, someone of your daughter’s generation or younger, or someone of your generation who doesn’t think like should would laugh at you the way you would laugh at a same sex wedding.

And your age isn’t the only reason, its your set of preconceived notions. In my synagogue everyone of my grandparents (or elder?) generation is “fine” with SSM.

 

[Sparkythedog]

Several Catholic organizations in the US seem to be uncomfortably and awkwardly preoccupied with gay issues. Catholic Answers Live, a radio show I love, sometimes has specific shows dedicated to same-sex marriage or homosexuality. I just switched on EWTN on my TV and the show was talking about the “militant homosexual agenda.” Catholic bloggers and articles are always dedicating topics on this issue; everytime I go to NewAdvent.org, there is a good chance I’ll see a highlighted article casting the issue in a severe light.

My question is, what is this emphasis on this issue meant to achieve? Is it supposed to help those gay persons who are already struggling to find a place in the Church? Is it supposed to convince the “militant homosexual” activists? Is it supposed to reach out to those in the Church and the world who disagree with church teaching and accept homosexual relationships? Or is it supposed to comfort those who already agree with church teaching?

Maybe I am just sensitive. But I do not see the point with this over-emphasis. I could see how such a preoccupation would turn away those from the Church, as it is making me really disappointed with the USA church’s outreach to those on the fringes.

It’s easier to rally your base when you have a common enemy.