Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

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The Church asks those who have sinned seriously to exclude themselves. They are able to re-admit themselves through confession. You speak as though this is some kind of unjust discrimination.
My understanding is that a divorced and remarried Catholic who has not received an annulment, for example, cannot just go to confession and then participate in the Eucharist. But maybe I’m wrong. The same would be true of someone involved in a same-sex relationship unless they first promise to separate and remain celibate. I also didn’t know that it’s just a voluntary request that these people exclude themselves.
 
Yes, though for a single person, one includes the other.
I don’t deny that single straight people have heavy crosses as well in this area.

There is a difference between a state of chastity that allows the possibility for a future relationship – as is the case for many heterosexual single people – and the idea that one can never enter in or have hope for a relationship – as is for homosexual persons.
 
My understanding is that a divorced and remarried Catholic who has not received an annulment, for example, cannot just go to confession and then participate in the Eucharist. But maybe I’m wrong.
And then there’s also the homosexual couple who is in a habitual sinful state that confession cannot simply solve. 🤷
 
I don’t deny that single straight people have heavy crosses as well in this area.

There is a difference between a state of chastity that allows the possibility for a future relationship – as is the case for many heterosexual single people – and the idea that one can never enter in or have hope for a relationship – as is for homosexual persons.
The experience may be different. The morality not.
 
I hope they did sex education in his school. Because it doesn’t sound like they did anything associated with English grammar.
The problem is, when we do sex ed in school, there’s no reason to think we’re doing it any more effectively than we teach grammar. At least with grammar, there’s a general consensus on what is correct…and we STILL accomplish unsatisfactory results.
Imagine how nervous, as a parent, I’d be if such a school were trying to teach my kids a proper perspective on sexuality, when the perspective itself is in debate.
 
👍 THIS is a good step.

It’s just, many people are living a life not in accord with Church teaching, and they are still active in the Church and want to be part of the Church. I have a deep desire to remain Catholic and be part of this church, but I also want a family life too. Do you see my dilemma?
:crying: I’m sorry you’re stuck in such a delema.

St. Thomas Aquinas taught that we are made to see God, in the sense of knowing God. His friend and intellectual equal, St. Bonaventure, taught that we are made to love God. They are both right. Our spiritual aspect of our nature, the Image of God, is our intellects, our minds, and our wills, our hearts, and so our intellects were made to know God (which is the supernatural virtue of faith) and our wills were made to love God (which is the supernatural virtue of Charity).

This is what the Catechism straight out teaches: we are destined to know and love God. But why? Because that is what Intimacy with God is.

Aristotle called friendship one soul in two bodies. This makes sense: a friend is someone whom I can share my mind and heart with, and he can share his with me. Or more mystically, when I become truly connected with someone, our minds and hearts become one: our experience connects and our love connects. We see with the same eyes; our hearts beat to the same rhythm; we feel the same things; out love becomes one and the same.

Intimacy with God, what the Beatific Vision is, is then becoming one intellect or mind with God’s, and becoming one will or heart with God’s. We not only know God as He is, we also in a sense know as God knows. We not only love God as He is, we Love in a sense as God does.

This is what you, the Image of God, are created for. To know and be known by partaking in God’s intimate thoughts, and to love and be loved by partaking in God’s intimate love. No matter what hardships and temptations you face, remember that you wish, no, God wishes to see you face to face.

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
:crying: I’m sorry you’re stuck in such a delema.

St. Thomas Aquinas taught that we are made to see God, in the sense of knowing God. His friend and intellectual equal, St. Bonaventure, taught that we are made to love God. They are both right. Our spiritual aspect of our nature, the Image of God, is our intellects, our minds, and our wills, our hearts, and so our intellects were made to know God (which is the supernatural virtue of faith) and our wills were made to love God (which is the supernatural virtue of Charity).

This is what the Catechism straight out teaches: we are destined to know and love God. But why? Because that is what Intimacy with God is.

Aristotle called friendship one soul in two bodies. This makes sense: a friend is someone whom I can share my mind and heart with, and he can share his with me. Or more mystically, when I become truly connected with someone, our minds and hearts become one: our experience connects and our love connects. We see with the same eyes; our hearts beat to the same rhythm; we feel the same things; out love becomes one and the same.

Intimacy with God, what the Beatific Vision is, is then becoming one intellect or mind with God’s, and becoming one will or heart with God’s. We not only know God as He is, we also in a sense know as God knows. We not only love God as He is, we Love in a sense as God does.

This is what you, the Image of God, are created for. To know and be known by partaking in God’s intimate thoughts, and to love and be loved by partaking in God’s intimate love. No matter what hardships and temptations you face, remember that you wish, no, God wishes to see you face to face.

Christi pax,

Lucretius
Thanks for the words.
 
My understanding is that a divorced and remarried Catholic who has not received an annulment, for example, cannot just go to confession and then participate in the Eucharist. But maybe I’m wrong. The same would be true of someone involved in a same-sex relationship unless they first promise to separate and remain celibate. I also didn’t know that it’s just a voluntary request that these people exclude themselves.
When one makes the act of contrition, one apologizes and promises to do ones best to avoid sinning again. And if that is done genuinely, what stands in the way?
 
I don’t deny that single straight people have heavy crosses as well in this area.

There is a difference between a state of chastity that allows the possibility for a future relationship – as is the case for many heterosexual single people – and the idea that one can never enter in or have hope for a relationship – as is for homosexual persons.
But the crucial point is that a person who never marries may well be called to a lifetime of celibacy, because of the plain fact of not finding a person he/she is willing to marry, and who feels likewise. This certainly does occur to people who in fact would rather marry.

They may find they are called to it. In such cases, the straight person has a similar cross to bear as the homosexual who is also called to abstain.

The fact that being straight held a *potential *for marriage, hardly makes a difference for the individual who ends up being celibate for her entire life, accepting it but not choosing it.

Clearly, the fact that a person with same-sex attraction would suffer great sacrifice if God really did intend for him to be celibate, is not evidence that God thinks otherwise.
 
When one makes the act of contrition, one apologizes and promises to do ones best to avoid sinning again. And if that is done genuinely, what stands in the way?
If someone is divorced and remarried, for example, isn’t more required than just “promising to do one’s best”? What if the old marriage is not annulled? That would mean that the person would have to separate from their new spouse or agree to live with them as brother and sister. That’s kind of a tall order for a married couple and involves a lot more than “promising to do one’s best”.

I read last year about a married same-sex couple in Lewistown, Montana who were told by their priest that they would have to get divorced and separate from each other in order to start receiving communion and sing in the choir again. That would, of course, involve going to court to get a divorce, selling and dividing their shared property, and ending their relationship of more than 30 years. The Church was demanding that they do a lot more than just apologize. 🤷
 
If someone is divorced and remarried, for example, isn’t more required than just “promising to do one’s best”? What if the old marriage is not annulled? That would mean that the person would have to separate from their new spouse or agree to live with them as brother and sister. That’s kind of a tall order for a married couple and involves a lot more than “promising to do one’s best”.

I read last year about a married same-sex couple in Lewistown, Montana who were told by their priest that they would have to get divorced and separate from each other in order to start receiving communion and sing in the choir again. That would, of course, involve going to court to get a divorce, selling and dividing their shared property, and ending their relationship of more than 30 years. The Church was demanding that they do a lot more than just apologize. 🤷
My post was not prescriptive, but if the sin is understood, and one commits to do ones best to not repeat it, there are implications Thor. Sharing assets is not a sin. Sexual acts may be.
 
My post was not prescriptive, but if the sin is understood, and one commits to do ones best to not repeat it, there are implications Thor. Sharing assets is not a sin. Sexual acts may be.
It wasn’t just sexual acts. The priest specifically demanded that they separate which would probably have meant dividing assets so that the one who was leaving could buy another separate house to live in.
 
GREAT FALLS, Mont. — A Roman Catholic bishop says a central Montana parish is about evenly divided over a new priest’s decision to prohibit a gay couple from receiving Communion unless they divorce, live separately and write a statement affirming that a marriage is between a man and a woman.
Bishop Michael Warfel of the Diocese of Great Falls-Billings met Saturday with about 300 parishioners of St. Leo the Great Catholic Church in Lewistown, where he also led a Mass. About half the parishioners supported the Rev. Samuel Spiering’s decision, while the other half were very angry, the Great Falls Tribune reported.
“There obviously is polarization, and certainly what I want to do is try to effect some healing,” Warfel said Saturday. “At the same time, as a Catholic bishop, I uphold our Catholic teachings.”
Tom Wojtowick, 66, and Paul Huff, 73, are longtime Catholics and have attended St. Leo the Great since 2003. Both sang in the choir, and Wojtowick is an organist.
The men have been in a committed relationship for more than 30 years and were married in a civil ceremony in Seattle in May 2013 to protect their finances as they age.
huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/montana-catholic-gay-couple_n_5868450.html
 
Never heard of a Catholic priest telling someone they must get divorced.

And please, don’t tell me they weren’t married in the first place as far as the church goes. If that is the case, then there’s no need to divorce.

This has split his congregation by 50%. Next he’ll start on contraception and lose another half, then non-procreative sex and love another 50% and so on and so on…well, at least if he’s not simply picking on gays and not all the other members of his church who sin.
 
When one makes the act of contrition, one apologizes and promises to do ones best to avoid sinning again. And if that is done genuinely, what stands in the way?
Exactly. We seek reconciliation in the Confessional and the slate is wiped clean. No, that does not suddenly make us perfect or incapable of committing the same sin again, but we now can receive the Eucharist and God can work in us because we accept his Lordship in our lives.

Ed
 
Not sure what one should conclude on the basis of an article in the Huff! Are we to understand the marriage ceremony the parties undertook was for the purposes of nothing more than a financial objective??
A Will and durable power of attorney would have done it. And alternates listed in the Will should one die before the other.

Ed
 
Not sure what one should conclude on the basis of an article in the Huff! Are we to understand the marriage ceremony the parties undertook was for the purposes of nothing more than a financial objective??
If you Google “lewistown montana couple” or something similar, you can read about the story in even more detail in numerous other news sites including the Montana Standard, the New York Times, the Great Falls Tribune, the* Billings Gazette*, the Missoulian, etc.
 
If you Google “lewistown montana couple” or something similar, you can read about the story in even more detail in numerous other news sites including the Montana Standard, the New York Times, the Great Falls Tribune, the* Billings Gazette*, the Missoulian, etc.
To what end? To form a view about whether the priest acted properly? To form a view about whether the two men have sinned? To form a view about whether the two men seek reconciliation?
 
Never heard of a Catholic priest telling someone they must get divorced.

And please, don’t tell me they weren’t married in the first place as far as the church goes. If that is the case, then there’s no need to divorce.

This has split his congregation by 50%. Next he’ll start on contraception and lose another half, then non-procreative sex and love another 50% and so on and so on…well, at least if he’s not simply picking on gays and not all the other members of his church who sin.
They weren’t married in the first place, so you’re right–there’s no need to divorce…unless the priest meant they must 'divorce" in a legal sense, so that their seriousness about separating was shown.

But maybe he was wrong in any case to say it. So what? He was wrong then. Or maybe he didn’t say “divorce”…Huffington Post and all.

The fact that something splits the congregation ought to give pause, but in no way amounts to evidence that an act was wrong. Jesus did it all the time.
 
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