Why is voting for Biden a mortal sin?

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The problem with this position is that for many - particularly many on this board - you’re not “prolife” if you’re subjective not prolife ENOUGH. That is a total distortion of reality. The fact is that Joe Biden boasts of his 100% approval rating from NARAL. Donald Trump by contrast had been the most pro life president since Roe was decided.
 
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if it were Biden against Romney or Cruz and any of the other dozens of Republicans i would agree. But Trump is a game changer and brings so many so many other evils and dangers that we cannot dumb this down to just a few easy issues.
Right. Evils like a thriving economy, support for freedom of speech, reduced tax burden, smaller government, less government reach into the lives of individuals, greater peace in the ME, staying out of senseless wars, not wasting taxpayer money on renewable energy which will never fulfill more than about 10% of energy requirements on earth feasibly, support for the rule of law and the Constitution, holding other nations accountable for their own national security, funding veterans, stopping globalism and the wealthy elites from decimating the middle class in order to impose their beloved form of socialism which will only enslave billions of people to oligarchic control.

You mean those kinds of evils that the press has convinced hordes to oppose for their own “safety and security?”
 
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Despite what “they” say, it is not a sin to vote for either candidate.

What may be sinful is voting for a particular candidate because of immoral positions or actions of theirs. It would not be immoral to vote for them in spite of such positions and actions.
It would only not be immoral if there are proportionate reasons that outweigh the immoral positions. If one cannot name these proportionate reasons or has not bothered to think through this well enough to name them, at least in their own mind, then it is still immoral and quite possibly mortally culpable.
 
a vote for the lesser of 2 evils is still a vote for evil. you can’t be kind of pregnant.
 
Your comment is a saying unrelated to reality: it assumes Trump is actually evil.

Would you rather have a president who has appointed prolife judges and has spoken at the March for life? Or a man who boasts of his 100% NARAL approval rating? Your choice is that stark.
 
i already stated that imho neither candidate is worthy to be President
 
The bishops provided guidelines which included a paragraph talking about the situation where neither candidate is without objectively sinful policy.
  1. Catholics often face difficult choices about how to vote. This is why it is so important to vote according to a well-formed conscience that perceives the proper relationship among moral goods. A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who favors a policy promoting an intrinsically evil act, such as abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, deliberately subjecting workers or the poor to subhuman living conditions, redefining marriage in ways that violate its essential meaning, or racist behavior, if the voter’s intent is to support that position. In such cases, a Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in grave evil. At the same time, a voter should not use a candidate’s opposition to an intrinsic evil to justify indifference or inattentiveness to other important moral issues involving human life and dignity.
  2. There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s unacceptable position even on policies promoting an intrinsically evil act may reasonably decide to vote for that candidate for other morally grave reasons. Voting in this way would be permissible only for truly grave moral reasons, not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a fundamental moral evil.
  3. When all candidates hold a position that promotes an intrinsically evil act, the conscientious voter faces a dilemma. The voter may decide to take the extraordinary step of not voting for any candidate or, after careful deliberation, may decide to vote for the candidate deemed less likely to advance such a morally flawed position and more likely to pursue other authentic human goods.
 
You may think that, but the 2 are in fact our only choices. I would posit that trump is much more friendly to the pro life side. In fact I don’t think that statement is really open to debate.
 
I’m not saying he isn’t "more friendly ", I’m saying he is still for abortion no matter how you add it up.
 
I want to encourage anyone still hanging on to this thread. The election seems like a big deal as it looms on the horizon, and no doubt it is very important, but we have to keep close to our hearts the concept of subsidiarity. What really matters, and what our duties really are, pertain to the salvation of our own souls, and those of the ones we love. Our families. Our neighbors. Catholicism is founded firmly on the “least of these,” not on the powers of the greatest.
Our support for life must not become principally defined by the national or global controversies of race, or of abortion, or of poverty, or of climate issues, especially if this leads us to cast our votes and then to do nothing else to exercise the strength in the Holy Spirit that we have through Christ.
I am very encouraged to see that people are thinking deeply about this decision, but I think far more than the potential of sin in casting a vote, we ought to be concerned that there is sin in becoming passive, or in becoming quiet. No matter who wins, Catholicism should be heard loud and clear as against abortion, against bigotry, against the abuse of the climate, and against the exploitation of the poor. And you and I are the ones that the Bishops have given the task of taking Catholic social teaching into the public square. That’s a big responsibility, and unfortunately I haven’t been impressed thus far. I’ve only been Catholic for about half a year. I’m looking for role models, and for leaders, and for wise teaching.
Let us not permit political divides to prevent us from coming together in opposition to sin. No matter who wins in November, we will be called upon to stand up for God. I firmly believe that Christianity will come under persecution in my lifetime in the United States. We can only be prepared for this if we are situated firmly in the grace available to us in the Holy Spirit, and if we come together as true sons and daughters of God, to love and edify each other.
 
Any priest endorsing or opposing a particular political candidate or party is violating the explicit mandates of the USCCB.

From their website :
Do not endorse or oppose candidates, political parties, or groups of candidates , or take any action that reasonably could be construed as endorsement or opposition.
How do we know that they are right though? “If Adolf Hitler comes to power and starts killing 6 million innocent Jews, don’t oppose him.”
 
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What dangers? What I have seen from the past four years has been primarily very positive under trump. Much more positive than any democrat or republican I have ever seen in office over the last several cycles.
 
You mean those kinds of evils that the press has convinced hordes to oppose for their own “safety and security?”
No, the evils he has actually committed and continues to commit, not the false narrative of him “making America great again”. At the convention, he was quoted as saying something along the lines of “This election will decide the fate of the American Dream”. I fully agree with that statement and sentiment. I also believe that he is the greatest threat to that dream to come on the scene in living memory.

ETA: Based on the fact that there was a reply but when I clicked on it I got “Ignored content” I must surmise that someone in my Ignore bucket is trying to make some sort of rebuttal. So sad, too bad. Rest assured that I have looked at actual facts, not spoon-fed RNC or right-wing media talking points (or for that matter DNC or left-wing media talking points). If you are buying what he is selling, then more power to you and enjoy your fruity tasting drink that starts with a K.
 
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I firmly believe that Christianity will come under persecution in my lifetime in the United States
I think you’re right about this. We already saw a bit of it with Obama’s HHS Mandate. Catholic charities would have had to provide abortifacients to their workers against conscience or be fined so heavily they would have to stop their charitable activities.

That was a small foretaste of what the future holds for us in a much bigger way if Harris/Biden is elected.
 
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I also believe that he is the greatest threat to that dream to come on the scene in living memory.
How so? Please be specific. No generalities or talking points. Real facts.
As Tim Staples points out in this video, a proportionate evil could lead a responsible Catholic to vote for an abortion candidate.


So a prolife candidate who was actually a mass murderer could justify a Catholic voting for an abortion supporter who was not a mass murderer.

Unfortunately, that train of thought only applies to the current situation if the ridiculous narrative from the left on Trump has deluded someone into thinking Trump is “actually Hitler.”

To anyone with eyes and a functioning brain willing to fairly weigh all the evidence, who and what Trump stands for is plainly obvious. There is no need to have him interpreted for us by the media or the Democrat party.

With Biden, it just isn’t clear who or what stands behind the man. It is clear that his cognitive struggles while remaining the D candidate leave a great deal unexplained in terms of where the US will be taken and who Biden’s influencers are.

 
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a vote for the lesser of 2 evils is still a vote for evil. you can’t be kind of pregnant.
Every human being is prone to commit evil of some kind, politicians likely more so than others in more mundane walks of life.

Only voting for someone who will commit NO evil will disenfranchise anyone who holds that view.
 
the fact stands that Trump is for abortion. is it wrong to vote Trump?
 
I can’t judge what a mortal sin is for others. That’s between them and God. I would say though, that it’s a grave sin to vote for Biden if one would not vote for Biden if instead of abortion, the issue were legalized killing black people or legalized killing jews. If one would not vote for Biden if he were okay with people making the choice of whether or not to kill 62 million black people and subsidizing that choice, but they do think it’s okay to vote for Biden when he’s doing the same thing with the unborn, then one would be saying the lives of the unborn are not as important as those of adult black people or jews, which would be a sin. I don’t know many people who would say it’s okay to vote for a candidate who would legalize the killing of black people or jews and leave it up to “choice”, but I suppose if one really thought there was proportionate reason that would make it okay to vote for that candidate because the other candidate were so bad, then they could vote for Biden without sinning.

If a person really thought that there were a proportionate reason for that though, they’d have to do a lot of explaining to God in my opinion.
 
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