Why is voting for Biden a mortal sin?

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Soubirous1 said:
reread the thread. already covered that
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Right. Your logic is that anyone who is not completely against abortion is therefore for it. That is illogical because there are possibilities between for in all cases and against in all cases.

Someone could be against killing of other human beings except where killing another human being is justified - i.e., in war, self defense, etc.

You cannot unilaterally declare that unless someone is against killing in all cases they are therefore for killing period. No. They are against killing in the sense they have made clear. That is not the same as being for killing just because they are not opposed to killing under some conditions.

Your logic is flawed.

Second, even if your logic held up, you need to show that Trump still today believes in abortion in the cases of rape and incest. His words, not hearsay that you gleaned from some third party or the media.
 
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Christ said you are for me or against me. Trump is playing the middle of the road for votes.
 
Soubirous1 said:
Christ said you are for me or against me. Trump is playing the middle of the road for votes.
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Deflection. Your opinion is not evidence that anyone else need believe to be true. Especially since you aren’t even willing to defend your position with evidence.
 
Thbolt said:
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HarryStotle:
As Tim Staples points out in this video, a proportionate evil could lead a responsible Catholic to vote for an abortion candidate.
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I think it is wise to pay attention to Church leaders and not to lay theologians.
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Which Church leaders? Pick some. Vigano? Cordileone? Strickland? Tobin? Barron? Burke? Zen? Cupich? Francis? Or just those who happen to agree with your views?
 
google trumps abortion stance and pick your source. he is for it in cases of rape and incest. they can’t all be Fake News.
 
Soubirous1 said:
Christ said you are for me or against me. Trump is playing the middle of the road for votes.
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And Biden is pandering to the extreme left for votes.

I suppose I prefer someone intelligent enough to pander to reasonable people than to left wing anarchists.
 
i acknowledged Biden is for abortion. you refuse that Trump is for abortion.
 
Soubirous1 said:
google trumps abortion stance and pick your source. he is for it in cases of rape and incest. they can’t all be Fake News.
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Google algorithms boost left wing talking points and narrative.

Even so, find Trump’s actual position not what someone else claims is his position.
 
well i don’t have his phone number but i do have my ex wifes. if i want a pointless argument I’ll call her instead of talking to you. k thnx bye.
 
Here’s an interesting excerpt from a U.S. Conference of Catholic statement.
The Church is involved in the political process but is not partisan. The Church cannot champion any candidate or party. Our cause is the defense of human life and dignity and the protection of the weak and vulnerable.
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A Catholic voter should make his/her selection based on a well-formed conscience.

https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-ac...consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-one

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njlisa said:
Here’s an interesting excerpt from a U.S. Conference of Catholic statement.
The Church is involved in the political process but is not partisan. The Church cannot champion any candidate or party. Our cause is the defense of human life and dignity and the protection of the weak and vulnerable.
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That the US Church does not “take sides” is because its status as a charitable organization would be in jeopardy. That isn’t a dogmatic or doctrinal decision, it is a prudential one that at times, unfortunately, causes the Church to not speak out or to hedge on clarifying its standing on certain issues. That is why the standard move is to leave political questions to the laity to decide for themselves, sometimes absent the kind of clarity that would pit the Church against one party or the other.

The same kind of “prudence” is what moved the Church to come to a written agreement with the CCP.
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Thbolt said:
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HarryStotle:
Which Church leaders? Pick some. Vigano? Cordileone? Strickland? Tobin? Barron? Burke? Zen? Cupich? Francis? Or just those who happen to agree with your views?
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You mean how people choose their favorite lay theologist when pushing their position. At least most of those people have standing in the Church, except for the one in “hiding” like the Church is the mob.
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Seems you missed the point, which was that even theologians “with standing” disagree with each other just as “favourite lay theologians” do. Ergo, it is still up to each of us to decide which theologian “with standing,” that disagrees with other theologians “with standing,” that we, for compelling reasons, agree with.

Merely citing your favourite flavour of “theologians with standing” doesn’t actually bolster your position, it is still up to you to provide the reasons. Merely pointing at some “theologian with standing” is not a sufficient defence of a position.

There are bishops in China in hiding because of the agreement the Vatican signed with the CCP. There are many in positions of power, even in the Church, these days that are acting like the mob, or at least being unduly influenced by it.
 
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Voting for Biden isn’t a mortal sin. Voting is a moral obligation, regardless of your party affiliation. The only time voting might present problems is if you’re voting for communists, socialists or fascists. The church is very clear that those three ideologies are incompatible with Catholicism because they ultimately deny the intrinsic value of each person
 
HarryStotle said:
To anyone with eyes and a functioning brain willing to fairly weigh all the evidence, who and what Trump stands for is plainly obvious. There is no need to have him interpreted for us by the media or the Democrat party.
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That is absolutely correct. And my eyes and functioning brain show me that what DJT stands for is DJT and whatever DJT happens to want at the moment. For anyone with eyes and a functioning brain, it is plain who DJTs influencers are, and they are no friends to the US.

Enough of this. I have made my position clear and no one is going to change their mind at this point regardless of any arguments. Muting thread now.
 
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