Why Islam denies the crucifixion of Christ

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I could not believe my bad syntax in my previous post…too early in the am for me…

When we separate the universal humanity from God, Who created humanity out of love, which is idealized in Jesus Christ Who died for all mankind in atonement of sins out of love for us, mankind looses whatever justification there is to love our neighbor as ourselves.

I do not see Allah and Islam having love for people who are not Muslim.

Thus, I see Allah as small. He does not love. He wants to punish. He does not forgive. He gets angry at cartoons and wants to kill. He wants his followers to play tricks on us, to fool us with kind talks of dialogue and persuading us to believe his followers want to integrate while they sue us, impose their alien ways on us, and plot to overcome us…

BTW, it is coming out now that our entire military is infiltrated by Muslims. It is open knowledge that all our campuses throughout the USA have Muslims prosletyzers who are frightening the students into silence…Muslims 8 years ago said over and over how they hated America, but now so many are coming here…how is that? when they openly praised the killing of 3,000 innocent people on 9/11???

There is a prayer by Sr Faustina…‘Mother Mary, protect me from those who hide their malice with the veil of religion.’

I mean, how far can you dialogue the Crucifixion of Christ with a totalitarian mentality? Perhaps we must return to the old adage…‘do not listen to what they say…watch what they do…’
 
So far it proves to me that you are avoiding a striking proof: the return of the Jews. Christ said their return was connected with His. But that doesn’t get through to you. Why is that?
This is an open forum. You’re free to deal with the Announcement or you can skip it.
 
I quite agree, and taking a thread off topic is against the rules of this board, so it isn`t a free for all. Changing the topic of a thread about why Muslims don’t believe in the crucifixion, to what the Baha’i believe would be considered by most to be breaking this rule.

There can be, and are, threads on Baha’i beliefs. He can use them if he needs to spread his faith.
 
KathleenGee said:
BTW, it is coming out now that our entire military is infiltrated by Muslims. It is open knowledge that all our campuses throughout the USA have Muslims prosletyzers who are frightening the students into silence…Muslims 8 years ago said over and over how they hated America, but now so many are coming here…how is that? when they openly praised the killing of 3,000 innocent people on 9/11???
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Be careful what you say. Such talk drove many Serbs to kill innocent Muslim men, women and children throughout Bosnia. I’ve sat in mosques where, addressing no one but their fellow Muslims, the leaders of the community praised America, and said it was good that they were living somewhere they could pray and worship in peace. I’ve sat among Muslim families as they broke the Ramadan fast, and seen how human they are, and how they are like any other person in America, only with a different faith. Yes, there are many Muslims in the military, but not all of them adhere to the tenants of their faith regarding war with unbelievers or against fellow Muslims. Some are about as Muslim as most Americans are Christian. There are many fighting and dying for the American flag.

I do not believe Islam to be the true faith. I believe it to be a heresy. I don’t believe Mohammad’s stories or that he had revelations from God. However, neither can I dehumanize the individual Muslim. There are many who can be saved, and so long as God grants me the strength I can try to educate them, either through personal dialogue or by example with dialogue with others such as planten, I pray that He will use me as a tool for their journey to the true God and Lord Jesus Christ.

Hence that is why dialogue regarding the crucifixion and other Muslim beliefs is so important. God will sow his seeds, and wherever they fall is by His grace. If they bear fruit, glory to God.

I’ve put him on ignore. 😉
 
WHAT LIES WHAT BLASPHEME WHAT SHAME!
The Qu’ran depicts God as a deciever! A Murderering deciever at that! The Bible teaches that it’s not in God’s nature to decieve!
And for those who deny Christ’s divinity I ask you this.

Who’m was God talking to when He said?

“Come, let US (plural) make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness…” -Genesis 1:26

Whom was He speaking of when He said this?

“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah (birthplace of David and later Christ,) Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me the One Who shall be ruler in Isreal, Whose goings forth are FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING.”

And who was the prophet Isaiah speaking of when he prophecied this?

“For unto us a Child is given, unto us a Son is born; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called WONDERFUL, COUNSELOR, MIGHTY GOD.” -Isaiah 9:6
 
What few that was written about Yeshu in the Jewish Talmud doesn’t match the Jesus of Christianity. The earliest “testimony” of the alleged crucifixion was that of Josephus in his history book titled “Jewish Antiquities”, written c.93 CE. However, the consensus view of modern scholars is that this passage was a later Christian forgery.

Christians are left with their “New Testament” to prove that the crucifixion did take place. Paul didn’t relate the account of the crucifixion in his letters either. So in the end, Christians have to rely solely on their “Gospels” for proof.

But unfortunately, the earliest papyri of their “New Testament” were from the 2nd century. There survive hundreds of papyrus manuscripts of Greek pagan literary texts from the 2nd and 3rd century that are exactly dated and show the same types of handwriting as these.

Since there is not a single reliable testimony, the question is not: “Why Islam denies the crucifixion of Christ?”, but ought to be: “Why non-Christians should believe the crucifixion of Jesus?”
 
a195 said:
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Since there is not a single reliable testimony, the question is not: “Why Islam denies the crucifixion of Christ?”, but ought to be: “Why non-Christians should believe the crucifixion of Jesus?”
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And another question is, since there is not a single reliable testimony or eyewitness that the voice Mohammed is alleged to have heard in the cave was the Angel Gabriel, the question is not: “Why non-Muslims should believe Mohammed is a prophet?”, but ought to be: “*Why should *anyone believe Mohammed is a prophet?” 😃
 
a195 said:
What few that was written about Yeshu in the Jewish Talmud doesn’t match the Jesus of Christianity. The earliest “testimony” of the alleged crucifixion was that of Josephus in his history book titled “Jewish Antiquities”, written c.93 CE. However, the consensus view of modern scholars is that this passage was a later Christian forgery.

Christians are left with their “New Testament” to prove that the crucifixion did take place. Paul didn’t relate the account of the crucifixion in his letters either. So in the end, Christians have to rely solely on their “Gospels” for proof.

But unfortunately, the earliest papyri of their “New Testament” were from the 2nd century. There survive hundreds of papyrus manuscripts of Greek pagan literary texts from the 2nd and 3rd century that are exactly dated and show the same types of handwriting as these.

Since there is not a single reliable testimony, the question is not: “Why Islam denies the crucifixion of Christ?”, but ought to be: “Why non-Christians should believe the crucifixion of Jesus?”
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I’m going based off of what the prophets said. And the Talmud is an abomitable indoctrination of the hypocrite Pharecies that claims to have authority over the Old Testament and even permits beastiality and rape for the Pharecies. It is the doctrine of the synogogue of satan, the jews who claim to be jews, but are not. We have proof of the crucifixion. It is the Shroud of Turin. (check out my website links in previous posts) And our scripture doesn’t make God out to be a deciever. The Talmud was written during the chaos of the intertestamential period. youtube.com/watch?v=quTXwTjgfc0
 
Well it’s true. The Bible doesn’t make God out to be a deciever. And the Talmud is corrupt.
 
I’m not anti-semite! This was back in 1st century! Not today! Not by far means modern times! The Pharrecies that took over during the intertestamential period are not true Jews (in spiritual terms.)
 
No. That’s scriptual. Revelation 2:9. I’m sorry if I offended you, but I’m not talking about you.
“I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews but are not, but are the synogogue of satan.”
 
Exactly. Your gonna make me look racist, dude. Seriously. I never had to argue about why I’m not an anti-semetist before.:nope:
 
MrZetterlund said:
Exactly. Your gonna make me look racist, dude. Seriously. I never had to argue about why I’m not an anti-semetist before.:nope:
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As he said in his first post you should be careful what you’re saying. That’s exactly what it looked like. If that’s not what you meant, fine, just take more care in your wording in the future.
 
Nine_Two said:
As he said in his first post you should be careful what you’re saying. That’s exactly what it looked like. If that’s not what you meant, fine, just take more care in your wording in the future.
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Yeah… I can see that mix-up. I should clarify better before condemning. facepalm
 
sedonaman said:
I don’t think so:

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How about that, didn’t know.

So how do the Mormons get away with it?
 
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