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Shakuhachi
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“Systemic racism” is a myth,". This kind of denial is a huge part of the problem.
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"Why It Won’t Stop With Statues." Article on why it can be expected that the mayhem will get worse
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VonDerTann
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Not nearly so much as repeating the falsehood that systemic racism by whites exists.
What cannot be denied is that minorities have been expressly favored in jobs, academia, etc., based on criteria other than merit. There’s your “systemic racism.”
What cannot be denied is that minorities have been expressly favored in jobs, academia, etc., based on criteria other than merit. There’s your “systemic racism.”
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Shakuhachi
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VonDerTann, It sounds like you are concerned that white supremacy is in danger. Are you Catholic?
“We have also seen years of systemic racism working in how resources are allocated to
communities that remain de facto segregated. As an example, the water crisis in Flint, Michigan,
resulted from policy decisions that negatively affected the inhabitants, the majority of whom
were African Americans. We could go on, for the instances of discrimination, prejudice, and
racism, sadly, are too many.”
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/racism/index.cfm
“We have also seen years of systemic racism working in how resources are allocated to
communities that remain de facto segregated. As an example, the water crisis in Flint, Michigan,
resulted from policy decisions that negatively affected the inhabitants, the majority of whom
were African Americans. We could go on, for the instances of discrimination, prejudice, and
racism, sadly, are too many.”
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/racism/index.cfm
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VonDerTann
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It most certainly does: affirmative action is merely one aspect of it
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VonDerTann
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White racism caused lead in the water?
Bunk. White racism no more caused lead in the water than it caused any other environmental problem.
Bunk. White racism no more caused lead in the water than it caused any other environmental problem.
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VonDerTann
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Affirmative action gives benefits based on race, rather than merit. No one credibly alleges otherwise.
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Odilon
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Hah! That is funny, a Mayor that can’t be reasoned with trying to reason with a mob that can’t be reasoned with. And what did he do? He slunk off like Mayor Frey of Minneapolis did when confronted by the mob.
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stpurl
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Are you telling me “the Right” did not somehow apologize and acknowledge Mr. Floyd’s death?
And ‘white supremacist support of the president?”
What? You are not bringing up specific incidents at all.
What you are doing is emoting. And scapegoating. And blaming people not for what they might do, individually or as some ‘bloc’ which you can stretch or consolidate as you choose, automatically assigning ‘white supremacists’ to ‘the right’, never to the ‘left’ of course. And then of course the rhetorical question meant to imply ‘can you not acknowledge’ already tarring and feathering me because I cannot ‘see’ what you claim is so ‘clear’.
No, you just want to sit back and think that your political adherence is tied to the group that is all ‘good’, and that the ‘opposing’ group is evil. You want to think that everything that is being done to correct an evil, whether it’s racism, sexism, whateverism, is only being done by the wonderful “left’ while the deplorable ‘right’ is determined to go on hating.
Let’s shake this up. Tell me how many on the RIGHT are out there toppling statues and rioting in the streets and looting and threatening and shooting babies, as opposed to those on the LEFT.
Oh, peaceful protests. There are some, yes. And you’ll find plenty on the RIGHT out there in those. How about that March for Life? Isn’t it rather important to stand up for the victims of abortion?
I would strongly suggest that you climb down from the moral high horse you are so ready to claim as yours and join the rest of us, “right’ and “left’ alike.
Yes, dear, although I was only 7 when Dr. Martin Luther King spoke his “I have a dream speech” I have older brothers and sisters who were out there supporting civil rights. I have black and brown family members whom I love dearly. But even if I didn’t, even if I were a card carrying “I’m white to the nth degree’ person, does that somehow disqualify me from being able to speak or understand about racism? I don’t believe so.
No, I’m afraid that you are still stuck in the phase of recognizing that evils exist, but feeling that you can disassociate yourself from them by aligning yourself with a self-proclaimed ‘virtuous’ group and blaming another ‘group’ for the evils instead.
And ‘white supremacist support of the president?”
What? You are not bringing up specific incidents at all.
What you are doing is emoting. And scapegoating. And blaming people not for what they might do, individually or as some ‘bloc’ which you can stretch or consolidate as you choose, automatically assigning ‘white supremacists’ to ‘the right’, never to the ‘left’ of course. And then of course the rhetorical question meant to imply ‘can you not acknowledge’ already tarring and feathering me because I cannot ‘see’ what you claim is so ‘clear’.
No, you just want to sit back and think that your political adherence is tied to the group that is all ‘good’, and that the ‘opposing’ group is evil. You want to think that everything that is being done to correct an evil, whether it’s racism, sexism, whateverism, is only being done by the wonderful “left’ while the deplorable ‘right’ is determined to go on hating.
Let’s shake this up. Tell me how many on the RIGHT are out there toppling statues and rioting in the streets and looting and threatening and shooting babies, as opposed to those on the LEFT.
Oh, peaceful protests. There are some, yes. And you’ll find plenty on the RIGHT out there in those. How about that March for Life? Isn’t it rather important to stand up for the victims of abortion?
I would strongly suggest that you climb down from the moral high horse you are so ready to claim as yours and join the rest of us, “right’ and “left’ alike.
Yes, dear, although I was only 7 when Dr. Martin Luther King spoke his “I have a dream speech” I have older brothers and sisters who were out there supporting civil rights. I have black and brown family members whom I love dearly. But even if I didn’t, even if I were a card carrying “I’m white to the nth degree’ person, does that somehow disqualify me from being able to speak or understand about racism? I don’t believe so.
No, I’m afraid that you are still stuck in the phase of recognizing that evils exist, but feeling that you can disassociate yourself from them by aligning yourself with a self-proclaimed ‘virtuous’ group and blaming another ‘group’ for the evils instead.
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VonDerTann
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There are many other systemic racist aspects against whites.
The moment any black is pulled over by police, they can (and do!) immediately cry “you’re pulling me over because I’m black!” For that matter, any black can end an argument by crying “racism!”
Some clubs exist solely for blacks. There’s no “NAAWP”; no “white European history month;” blacks are allowed to call each other the n-word but if I use that term i lose my job and have BLM protesters on my lawn.
The moment any black is pulled over by police, they can (and do!) immediately cry “you’re pulling me over because I’m black!” For that matter, any black can end an argument by crying “racism!”
Some clubs exist solely for blacks. There’s no “NAAWP”; no “white European history month;” blacks are allowed to call each other the n-word but if I use that term i lose my job and have BLM protesters on my lawn.
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VonDerTann
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Affirmative action is by its natures discriminatory: it makes one’s race a criteria for seats in a college; scholarship dollars; employment, etc.
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No. But that’s not what I wrote. I was addressing the OP concerning the taking down of statues. You’ve intentionally distorted my point.Do you think the following are “pretty controlled”?
–repeatedly assaulting police with bricks; bottles; spitting at them; and throwing Molotov cocktails;
–doxxing agents;
–blinding one with a laser;
–setting up the CHOP/CHAZ zone…
–…then terrorizing the residents thereof;
–repeated destruction to and disrespect of private property including by burning and spraying spray paint on everything in sight;
–looting and stealing literally everything of value in many stores;
–creating the most costly civil disturbance in US history.
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VonDerTann
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Look, you asked for examples of anti-white systemic racism. I’ve given you a bunch - and your response is what often happens hen people ask me for examples: I give them, and people respond as you do: by saying “uhhh…those don’t count!”
–but they DO count. We can argue over why NAACP exists - but it does exist and I can’t join, and they will help a black kid get a scholarship over me just because he’s black. We can argue over why anyone would want to use a slur - but blacks can and I can’t. Blacks can cry “you did x because of racism!” and I can’t.
–but they DO count. We can argue over why NAACP exists - but it does exist and I can’t join, and they will help a black kid get a scholarship over me just because he’s black. We can argue over why anyone would want to use a slur - but blacks can and I can’t. Blacks can cry “you did x because of racism!” and I can’t.
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VonDerTann
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Upset? No, I’m not upset, more like unimpressed at the standard response of “any example you give I’ll claim is bogus.”
All the examples I gave are systemic.
I’m not oppressed. Neither are American blacks.
All the examples I gave are systemic.
I’m not oppressed. Neither are American blacks.
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whatistrue
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The claims you made don’t count because they aren’t actually legitimate examples of racism against whites.I give them, and people respond as you do: by saying “uhhh…those don’t count!”
Who says you can’t join? There is no membership requirement related to race, ethnicity, or skin color.We can argue over why NAACP exists - but it does exist and I can’t join,
Sure you can - there is no law prohibiting it. But be prepared to deal with the fallout if you do.We can argue over why anyone would want to use a slur - but blacks can and I can’t
And yet you have been doing that repeatedly on this thread.Blacks can cry “you did x because of racism!” and I can’t.
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PaulinVA
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Back to the article…
I’m not a fan of Father Longenecker.
The good Father seems to be advancing the position that the BLM protesters, or the statue-killers, will turn into real killers and come for the oppressors - white males.
While he gives some historic perspective, I don’t see it.
I’m not a fan of Father Longenecker.
The good Father seems to be advancing the position that the BLM protesters, or the statue-killers, will turn into real killers and come for the oppressors - white males.
While he gives some historic perspective, I don’t see it.
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VonDerTann
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Yep, as usual: you don’t like my examples so you’ll just call them “illegitimate.”
But as I keep saying, they ARE legitimate. Why? They are examples of how blacks benefit merely by being black, and those examples are impliedly sanctioned - hence they are systemic.
Of course there’ll be fallout if I use the n-word…but there won’t be fallout when blacks do, and thus my point is validated.
But as I keep saying, they ARE legitimate. Why? They are examples of how blacks benefit merely by being black, and those examples are impliedly sanctioned - hence they are systemic.
Of course there’ll be fallout if I use the n-word…but there won’t be fallout when blacks do, and thus my point is validated.
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Shakuhachi
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Why must you invoke “Left” and “Right”? Racism comes in many forms and is practically universal.
"Extreme nationalist ideologies are feeding the American public discourse with xenophobic rhetoric that instigates fear against foreigners, immigrants, and refugees. Finally, too often racism comes in the form of the sin of omission, when individuals, communities, and even churches remain silent and fail to act against racial injustice when it is encountered.
"Racism can often be found in our hearts—in many cases placed there unwillingly or
unknowingly by our upbringing and culture. As such, it can lead to thoughts and actions that we
do not even see as racist, but nonetheless flow from the same prejudicial root. Consciously or
subconsciously, this attitude of superiority can be seen in how certain groups of people are
vilified, called criminals, or are perceived as being unable to contribute to society, even
unworthy of its benefits. Racism can also be institutional, when practices or traditions are upheld
that treat certain groups of people unjustly. The cumulative effects of personal sins of racism
have led to social structures of injustice and violence that makes us all accomplices in racism.
"Extreme nationalist ideologies are feeding the American public discourse with xenophobic rhetoric that instigates fear against foreigners, immigrants, and refugees. Finally, too often racism comes in the form of the sin of omission, when individuals, communities, and even churches remain silent and fail to act against racial injustice when it is encountered.
"Racism can often be found in our hearts—in many cases placed there unwillingly or
unknowingly by our upbringing and culture. As such, it can lead to thoughts and actions that we
do not even see as racist, but nonetheless flow from the same prejudicial root. Consciously or
subconsciously, this attitude of superiority can be seen in how certain groups of people are
vilified, called criminals, or are perceived as being unable to contribute to society, even
unworthy of its benefits. Racism can also be institutional, when practices or traditions are upheld
that treat certain groups of people unjustly. The cumulative effects of personal sins of racism
have led to social structures of injustice and violence that makes us all accomplices in racism.
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GEddie
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The controlling factor is the virus.
The rampaging mobs have a clear field because civil society is huddled in quarantine, but should the virus be overcome, the civic body will stand up and reject them.
(Sadly, this means that it will.be estimatedly, at least six months before that can occur.)
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The rampaging mobs have a clear field because civil society is huddled in quarantine, but should the virus be overcome, the civic body will stand up and reject them.
(Sadly, this means that it will.be estimatedly, at least six months before that can occur.)
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whatistrue
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I don’t either like or dislike them; they are simply not examples of systemic racism, but rather of whining.you don’t like my examples so you’ll just call them “illegitimate
I have seen so many people doing the same as you and complaining about this non-issue. If you want to say it, go ahead. Just know that doing so will brand you as racist. If you truly are not racist, then just don’t use it; there really isn’t any other reason for you to do so.but there won’t be fallout when blacks do
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JSAD
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All under the watchful and approving gaze of Democrat ‘leaders’ such as Biden and do nothing Republicans who won’t try and stop this.Let’s not even get into the USCCB and bishops
Trump, with all his flaws is the only one actually saying something
Trump, with all his flaws is the only one actually saying something
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