"Why It Won’t Stop With Statues." Article on why it can be expected that the mayhem will get worse

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Because you yourself asked the question in your post, stating “What if the perpetrators of the initial injustice do not acknowledge it nor seek forgiveness nor reconciliation? That seem (sic) to be where the Right is today.

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot specific indict the Right (and when I asked you for examples you went off into a “how about George Floyd? White supremacist support of the president, racism is pervasive” .

To which I responded that you were emoting. You did acknowledge that not ‘all’ on the right are racist but then again asked me to ‘acknowledge racism’ as if I were calling it into question (I did not). You never really gave examples of ‘initial injustice which were never addressed or apologized for by “the Right”.

And now you state that I am making everything about ‘Right and Left’. I am not. I am stating that your remark which is what I am attempting to get you to give me examples of “The Right” not responding to initial injustices, etc. is itself an example of an unproven emotional response which attempts to paint ONE group as not doing ‘what it should’ with the implication that another group IS doing what it should.
 
Hmmm…when I say it I’m racist, but when blacks say it it’s OK?

You keep proving my point, over and over.

Further a secondary point is not that I would use the n-word. The issue is response to it. If I use it I’m racist, but not if blacks use it. That’s .,…systemic racism!
 
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You seem to be totally unwilling to accept the explanation given about “reclaiming a slur”.

If not being able to call someone a (n-word) is the best example of you being discriminated against that you can come up with then you are not really helping your position, and it seems that it is since it is the one you keep coming back to.
 
The issue isn’t my using a slur. The issue is people’s response to it.
 
Don’t worry, my friend - the truth will still be the truth when you return!

Sorry gotta sign off for a bit
 
You are correct I flip flopped. That is because even though racism is endemic, the Alt -Right gladly embraces it. Is that what we are seeing here? Do you think that white identity is under attack? Are multicultural forces using political correctness to undermine white people and their civilization?
 
Hodos said:
Democrats are playing with fire by generating the ideology and mouthing the platitudes that have given rise to this chaos. I think they believe they can turn it off when they will should they win in November.
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Possibly you’re right. But one remembers the “Kashketin murders”. Stalin’s Cheka was convoying a large group of Trotskyites from one place of imprisonment to another. They convoy slowed down until it was behind the Trotskyits. Out of the snow, then, came machine gun fire, killing the Trotskyites. The killers were treated to rewards, then killed in their turn.
 
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History teaches us that iconoclasm (the destruction of images) is often followed by something worse, this account shows.
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As American history and the basic idea of the United States of America is under assault, if we don’t ourselves value it and know it well, we will surely lose the free society that our forefathers struggled to establish and defend.
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That ‘something worse’ is persecution of Christians.
 
When segregation ended you think black communities magically where given shiny new houses? That the crap living conditions were suddenly better?

More so that everyone who was racist woke up with fresh perspective?

No and like many communities the livelihood that many had was passed from one generation to the next.
Where do you think the term “I got out!” Came from?

Some young individual got the moxie and the wit to claw their way out of poverty and move into the good side of town.

Doesn’t mean the bad side of town stopped existing, doesn’t mean the prejudice attitude stopped trying too keep people there.

That’s your systematic oppression. A problem that’s been kicked down the road so many times you think it’s over.

It’s not, slums are still there and everyone in it are still abused, most of them shock and awe are minority.

Those opportunity where black individuals get jobs over white exist because the bias that a black kid from Harlem where property tax is can’t fund a good school can’t be a good employee cuz he has no education.

So employees are pressured to give a job despite backround.

Is it a correct solution? No I don’t think so, but it’s why it exists and has nothing to do with “black racism.”
 
So there’s some things you say that are important:
  1. You say, unhappily, “Like many communities the livelihood that many had are passed down one generation to the next.” EXACTLY what do you mean by that? Because in the context of your post, this impliedly means that people’s livelihoods should be taken from them? Is that what you’re saying? I ask because there is a (indefensible, unchristian) position of “steal from the whites and hand it to blacks.” That precise fact pattern is going on in South Africa right now.
If my livelihood is a family farm - is it BAD that that farm is passed down from prior generations?
  1. Segregation ended approximately 70 years ago. Since then blacks have been given preferences in employment, education, etc. When should those preferences end? Are you advocating…what? Reparations?
 
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The problem is that the monuments and statues being destroyed are not about the people of today, but of times past.

The paragraph you copied from the article says it all.
 
When I see people at the protests holding signs that say, “No Justice No Peace,” I see that as a threat.

Unless they get their idea of justice, there will be no peace ?

Justice can not be retributive justice, for that’s just getting revenge.

Some say restorative justice, but restore to what ?

The only true justice comes through forgiveness, reconciliation, tolerance and respect for others. God has given us this definition of restorative justice in Jesus Christ.

There is no hint of this at the BLM protest.
 
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If my livelihood is a family farm - is it BAD that that farm is passed down from prior generations?
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The point was the poverty or more aptly lack of livelihood was what’s available.
VonDerTann said:
Segregation ended approximately 70 years ago. Since then blacks have been given preferences in employment, education, etc. When should those preferences end? Are you advocating…what? Reparations?
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No? I’m saying the conditions for a few in the job market doesn’t trickle down. Many employer tick off their “black quota” then hired as normal.
Normal being the same old same old any good job has a line up so it’s difficult.
 
My questions - about when this alleged debt to blacks is paid - is a sincere one, that no one ever really answers.

Framed differently, here’s another point: Hypothetically, if the government agreed to pay every American black person, say, $50,000, as “slavery reparations,” some component of non-blacks would likely say, “OK, just to shut these people up…but then they don’t get to ask again.!”

–Think race hustlers like Al Sharpton would like the foregoing? Nope (then Al’d have to work, too, and you can’t live on $50k forever).

My points are obvious: First, for some, demanding payback is basically an industry.

Second, importantly, demands often go waaaaaay beyond, “give me X.” Instead, the demands are “give me X that’s yours, and don’t be surprised when I come asking for y or z either.” As I said, that is precisely what is going on in South Africa today, where white farms are being confiscated and handed to blacks.

That’s just stealing, gussied up as something else.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
The only true justice comes through forgiveness, reconciliation, tolerance and respect for others. God has given us this definition of restorative justice in Jesus Christ.
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I agree. If this could be understood by all it would do humanity so much good. It could allow true healing to take place.
 
VonDerTann said:
My questions - about when this alleged debt to blacks is paid - is a sincere one, that no one ever really answers.
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Because like now you bring it up when no one asked that question. So lets put a pin in it for now and go back to establishing the problem that you feel systemic racism doesn’t exist.

The problem while slavery may have ended the poverty and bigotry didn’t just vanish.
Just because you are allowed to act as a free man doesn’t mean people will treat you as a free man. Even if we go on the assumption that only one generation post slavery kept up the discrimination those actions still force black citizens into slum housing, back of the bus area in our society.
Just because the oppression stops ( which it didn’t but for your sake lets say it did) the point is the long reaching implications of being poor lasts.

Take your fortune 500 company, the types people say will build a school on a garbage dump to turn a profit. Why do they do that? won’t they be sued? the answer is the amount of money they save in the intern far out strips any court costs or settlements. Whats more they can hold up the case in litigation for years on the off chance those suing them drop the case because of the cost.

Now lets invert that idea, you have a poor family living in a slum. Even if they move to a nicer place they don’t have the cash to take time off work of sue the a for mentioned big guy for mistreatment. They don’t have the luxury to just get a better home if something happens they are literally living pay cheque to pay cheque. That generational poverty gets handed down again and again.
Doesn’t help that stereotypes (born in fact of not) makes non poor whites want to distance themselves from black dad who seems unable to balance the books of wear a clean shirt every day.

So we come back to:
VonDerTann said:
When should those preferences end? Are you advocating…what? Reparations?
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How about we erradicate poverty, period.
JimR-OCDS said:
When I see people at the protests holding signs that say, “No Justice No Peace,” I see that as a threat.

Unless they get their idea of justice, there will be no peace?
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When Britain taxed the hell out of the colonies and the revolution happened that was okay?

The point is, if you are going to kill us, we are going to riot. It’s exactly a threat.
JimR-OCDS said:
The only true justice comes through forgiveness, reconciliation, tolerance, and respect for others. God has given us this definition of restorative justice in Jesus Christ.
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Saying sorry doesn’t fix the broken window which is ironic because of broken window policing.
 
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I asked when exactly any debt to blacks would ever be repaid. You said this:
Anrakyr said:
you bring it up when no one asked that question.
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–I’m asking, now. Please advise.

You also said this:
Anrakyr said:
Just because you are allowed to act as a free man doesn’t mean people will treat you as a free man.
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–OK, people get the treatment they earn. Act responsible and law abiding? Great. Act like a thug, and throw a molotov cocktail at police? Expect to get shot.

–And BTW: Pull a gun on a pregnant woman…then pass counterfeit money and when the cops get called, get mouthy, begin screaming and thrashing and hitting your own head on the side of a police car? A cop might put a knee in your neck. Just saying…
Anrakyr said:
Just because the oppression stops ( which it didn’t but for your sake lets say it did) the point is the long reaching implications of being poor lasts.
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–This is an argument for communism: If someone is not oppressed (and maybe hasn’t been for decades), we still have to…what? Give them free stuff? Sounds like that’s what you’re suggesting.
Anrakyr said:
Take your fortune 500 company, the types people say will build a school on a garbage dump to turn a profit. Why do they do that? won’t they be sued? the answer is the amount of money they save in the intern far out strips any court costs or settlements. Whats more they can hold up the case in litigation for years on the off chance those suing them drop the case because of the cost.
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–Respectfully, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Finally, you say this:
Anrakyr said:
How about we erradicate poverty, period.
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–But as Jesus said, the poor you’ll always have with you.

–Besides, if this is your goal, fine. Give away every penny you’ve ever made…just don’t give away what I earned, OK?
 
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