"Why It Won’t Stop With Statues." Article on why it can be expected that the mayhem will get worse

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Then maybe they shouldn’t have staff.
eliminating jobs isn’t a way to stop poverty
Not allowing people to start businesses when they can’t (or won’t) pay minimum wages is a good start. I’d start a yard/car/window cleaning business tomorrow if I only had to pay staff $5 an hour.
 
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Nor allowing people to start businesses when they can’t (or won’t) pay minimum wages is a good start. I’d start a yard/car/window cleaning business tomorrow if I only had to pay staff $5 an hour.
so only the rich can afford to start companies? yeah, that works for moving people out of poverty
 
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Freddy:
Nor allowing people to start businesses when they can’t (or won’t) pay minimum wages is a good start. I’d start a yard/car/window cleaning business tomorrow if I only had to pay staff $5 an hour.
so only the rich can afford to start companies? yeah, that works for moving people out of poverty
No. Only those that can afford to pay minimum wage. If the company doesn’t earn enough to pay it and they have to pay it then it will go bust. So don’t allow it to start up in the first place. Similarly, if a company can afford to pay it but won’t, then take them out of business.

You should not be able to run a business by paying people less than the minimum agreed wage.

It’s all about turnover not how much you have in the bank to start up. If you’re rich to start then good for yout. But your business model needs to include for minimum wage whatever you’ve got to start with.
 
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If the company doesn’t earn enough to pay it and they have to pay it then it will go bust. So don’t allow it to start up in the first place. Similarly, if a company can afford to pay it but won’t, then take them out of business.
-With all due respect, there’s a lot wrong with this.

First, “don’t allow [a business] to start up in the first place?” All this does is turn the government into a nanny, deciding who can and can’t be in business.

Government regulation and red tape are bad enough - but now you need pre-approval just to open a business? Further, who’s doing the reviewing? Government accountants? Government bureaucrats who, maybe, want to verify that your bakery will make a cake for a gay couple, before they approve the bakery’s opening? Sheesh, what could possibly go wrong with that?

Second, OK, now you can’t open till you can pay a certain wage - how does anyone know if their business can meet that? Lots of people rely on projections of sales, etc. Are those enough to get government approval? Or will the “State Division of Pre-Approval” require a set sum be in the bank for wages? What’s that sum? $1 million US? A years’ wages for 20 people?

Guess what? You’ve just killed Apple (developed on a shoestring by Steve Jobs & Steve Wozniak in a garage) before it made the Apple I.

Third, similarly, who is going to “take them out of business”? What if your business model relies on commission sales? Or if you rely on interns or volunteers, particularly family members (as many businesses do, ranging from lawyers to dry cleaners)? I guess we close them down even if they’ve got a workforce that wants to work.

Fourth, just the whole concept of needing all these government approvals stifles creativity, since it curtails any business based on a non-traditional model from really developing.

Fifth and last - since when should we place opening a private-sector business in the hands of government bureaucrats who often have no experience operating a business, let alone starting one.

I’ve heard some strange ideas on this board. This one’s up there. WAY up there.
 
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You should not be able to run a business by paying people less than the minimum agreed wage.
but what will be the minimum agreed wage? who or what sets it?

again is it just those with excess cash in the bank that can open a business?

so much for the car-wash startup who wants to pay what the employment market dictates. then again they can always go automated…
 
Your question indicates that someone has too provide jobs that don’t already exists. Just pay people a fair wage. It’s really not a point we need to waste time on
Business owners want to pay people a fair wage, but you seem to indicate they should not be creating jobs. So if they don’t get to create a job…
Pay a fair wage to do what exactly?
 
If one in five commit crime and next to no one gets indicted then it follows they are not being procecuted.
Theres nothing wild about it.
As noted, the FBI statistics do not bear ;you out; 409 in 100,000 is not 1 in 5 - unless there is a newer New Math.
 
but what will be the minimum agreed wage? who or what sets it?
The Federal Government sets a Minimum Wage under the the Fair Labor Standards Act. States either adopt it, or may set a minimum wage higher than that.

There are 5 Exempt tests; Executive, Administrative, Professional, Outside Sales and Computer. See FLSA Exempt and Non-Exempt for more information.
 
If a person is not prosecuted you have no way to know if they committed a crime.

You’re just making things up.
 
If a person is not prosecuted you have no way to know if they committed a crime.

You’re just making things up.
This is exhausting

Earlier in the thread, I pointed out the NPMSRP said that but thank you for paying attention so we have to retread old ground to catch you up.

It’s bad enough I have to clarify my position with you but having to go back and reestablish an establishing point is busy work I don’t have time for. If I ignore you in the future its because you need to scroll up.

Please do that in the future.
 
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Freddy:
If the company doesn’t earn enough to pay it and they have to pay it then it will go bust. So don’t allow it to start up in the first place. Similarly, if a company can afford to pay it but won’t, then take them out of business.
-With all due respect, there’s a lot wrong with this.

First, “don’t allow [a business] to start up in the first place?”
By that I mean that a company must guarantee to pay minimum wage. Paying less will be an offence and you’ll be required to pay the minimum or close down.

How does a business know how much they can pay? Seriously? If you’re going to start up a business and put money into it and you don’t have a business plan then you’re a fool and shouldn’t be starting up in the first place.

That business plan will be all your projected outgoings, including equipment, computers, accounting costs, advertising, equipment, materials - whatever is applicable, plus wages and all insurances etc for each employer. The wages will be aplicable to the work but must be the minimum wage. Then you’ll have your projected income.

Take one from the other and you’ll have an idea when you’ll break even and how much profit you’ll make long term. If the plan shows a reasonable profit for the time you want to expend then go for it. If you start to lose money then your plan wasn’t accurate enough and you need to increase income or save money somewhere (which can’t be wages - unless you lay off some people) or you will go bust.

Job and Wozniac did all the early work themselves. If you want to pay yourself $0 then that’s your call. Likewise if your relatives or friends want to help out for nothing then you’re good. Pay them and it has to be minimum wage.

So all the government is doing is ensuring that if you pay someone to work for you it must be the minimum agreed wage. The market will decide if you stay in business after that.
 
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If the NPMSRP is your source…you’re wrong.

That source tracks misconduct complaints, not crimes. You assume the two are synonymous.They are not.

For example, “sexual misconduct” can involve things like 2 officers sleeping with each other consensually. That may be a violation of department policy, but it’s not a crime. In theory “misconduct” might be as simple as “not following a order,” being late for duty, etc.

In fact, the CATO Institute’s data recording, used to issue the NPMSRP, even expressly acknowledges that the incidents captured include “non-criminal complaints.”

So you are wrong.
 
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How does a business know how much they can pay? Seriously? If you’re going to start up a business and put money into it and you don’t have a business plan then you’re a fool and shouldn’t be starting up in the first place
Yes, seriously, Freddy.

I’d pretty sure the Apple boys didn’t have a business plan showing anticipated sales, operating costs, etc., when they made their first Apple I.

Interesting that now you’re walking back your ideas - I must pay minimum wage if I pay anything at all.

As usual…when challenged the plan changes. But I still can’t pay commission-only, apparently.

Further, I had a half-dozen serious issues, just off of the top of my head. Those stand unrefuted.

Haha! I thought of another one: The massive taxpayer-funded cost of this new government bureaucracy.

I’ll charitably assume you’ve never run a business.
 
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Freddy:
How does a business know how much they can pay? Seriously? If you’re going to start up a business and put money into it and you don’t have a business plan then you’re a fool and shouldn’t be starting up in the first place
Yes, seriously, Freddy.

I’d pretty sure the Apple boys didn’t have a business plan showing anticipated sales, operating costs, etc., when they made their first Apple I.

Interesting that now you’re walking back your ideas - I must pay minimum wage if I pay anything at all.

As usual…when challenged the plan changes. But I still can’t pay commission-only, apparently.

Further, I had a half-dozen serious issues, just off of the top of my head. Those stand unrefuted.

I’ll charitably assume you’ve never run a business.
All your problems were addressed. And yes, if you want to work for nothing or your wife does or your partner does then lucky you. But employ anyone and you pay minimum wage. I can’t see how this is difficult to follow

And when Job got to the point where he had to fork out money for overheads and materials and wages then you bet he’d have had a business plan.

And commission work in Australia is governed by wage and award agreements to prevent abuses of the system.

And again, this is pretty standard stuff. It’s run of the mill business practice. The only disagreement you seem to have is with minimum wage itself and government regulation to ensure it.

And yeah, I had a business and employed people when required at a wage I could afford and with which people were happy. Above minimum wage. If I couldn’t find anyone I either turned the work down or did it myself.
 
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