"Why It Won’t Stop With Statues." Article on why it can be expected that the mayhem will get worse

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Here’s Lincoln, the friend of the Black people:

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." (If that’s not white supremacy speech, then I don’t know what is.)

Referring to the secession of the southern states, “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
 
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What was the context he was speaking ?

There are plenty of writings by Lincoln where he spoke out against slavery.

He was also aware of the political rivals he was against and the book, “A Team Of Rivals,” by Doris Kearns Goodwin, shows how he the genius Lincoln had in getting what he wanted despite often looking like he was giving in to those who opposed him.
 
Depends on the context

It could be spun to mean something different than what he was actually proposing.
 
His writings before he even thought of running for president showed his opposition toward slavery.
 
You’re the one who needs to provide the context as you’re the one who posted what Lincoln said.

Provide the source would help
 
You’re the one who posted it, so it’s up to you to provide the source
 
VonDerTann said:
Neither are American blacks.
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Mountains of evidence disproves you. I think it’s laughable you think that not being able to call black people a derogatory word is an example of systemic racism. Really shows the bucket loads of priviledge a lot of complainers of the mythical White victimhood in White majority countries swim in. The rest of your examples are equally laughable. “There’s no White European History Month”…That’s because “White European History” is just called History and taught EVERYWHERE. All your examples sound like a rich kid complaining he doesn’t get charity/free stuff like the kids in the poor neighbourhood where his nanny comes from.
 
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RuthAnne said:
Not likely. Slavery was already dying out all over the world. It would not have lasted much longer here.
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People love repeating this but I don’t buy a word of it. Slavery was being fought everywhere and that’s why it died, well over a hundred years since the fight began. Even today it persists where governments are not serious about fighting it. The idea that it’d end on its own if it were not fought is the myth here. It assumes slave owners would not have found other uses for their human property outside hard labor on plantations: as if they were just these saintly souls who practiced slavery with a gun to their heads and couldn’t wait to end it. All myths and fairytales and revisionism.
 
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Sorry, Rubee, when you tell someone they’re “laughable” multiple times and start making ad hominem attacks (and you certainly do), what you really announce is “I don’t like what you say but I can’t really refute it, so I’ll namecall.”

If you’ve really got “mountains of evidence,” you certainly aren’t pointing to it.
 
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JimR-OCDS said:
There are plenty of writings by Lincoln where he spoke out against slavery.
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I’m not sure of the source of her specific quote, but Lincoln both ended slavery and expressed racist beliefs. https://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jala/2...ade-of-interpretations?rgn=main;view=fulltext

I don’t think there would be a single statue standing if we removed all of the racists. Racism was fully embedded in the American psyche and just taken for granted.

I realize you didn’t say otherwise, but I often like to add the reminder that a lack of (or opposition to) slavery is the bare minimum for non-racism, not the defining standard.
 
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Sorry, Rubee, when you tell someone they’re “laughable” multiple times and start making as hominem attacks (and you certainly do), what you really announce is “I don’t like what you say but I can’t really refute it, so I’ll namecall.”
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I said what you said was laughable and said why. Please learn what an adhominem is before using it to fend off responses to things you say.
 
All my examples sound like a rich kid complaining? Telling me my posts are laughable twice (without benefit of any of the alleged “mountains of evidence”)?

Yeah, that’s ad hominem.

But really - please post some of those “mountains of evidence.” I’d love to see it.
 
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All my examples sound like a rich kid complaining? Telling me my posts are laughable twice (without benefit of any of the alleged “mountains of evidence”)?

Yeah, that’s ad hominem.

But really - please post some of those “mountains of evidence.” I’d love to see it.
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It is absolutely LAUGHABLE to complain that you can’t use historical racial slurs against Black people and use it as an example of White people being victimized. I will repeat that on the mountain tops. The fact that it confuses you just adds to the point I’m making, about your posts being neon signs of priviledge.

And yes, the rich kid example illustrates that exact point: You’re complaining about not getting a meagre “History month” when you have all of history all the time. Exactly like a rich kid complaining about not getting the free stuff the nuns are handing out to the poor kids in the slums.
 
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No other country came remotely close to ending slavery violently the way Lincoln did it. Slaves were just pawns. Lincoln’s objective was to consolidate powers into Washington DC and he used slavery to accomplish that.
 
An opinion piece, where the first page is links to all sorts of articles by people disavowing systemic justice system racism? Eh, not much there.

I also find it interesting that the article is limited to the justice system - which is much narrower than society as a whole.
 
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