"Why It Won’t Stop With Statues." Article on why it can be expected that the mayhem will get worse

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Apparently you’re taking the approach of “if I insult you enough, it’s not ad hominem.”

Interesting reasoning, but ultimately unconvincing to anyone lurking.
 
An opinion piece, where the first page is links to all sorts of articles by people disavowing systemic justice system racism? Eh, not much there.
Nice try: It’s a listing of all studies done on racism in the justice system and their findings, linked to all the studies themselves and its complied by a scholar of these studies. It’s for those who claim it’s evidence they really want: A nice way to catch people not really interested in evidence is to give them a list of all of it.
 
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BTW, blacks commit more crimes than whites do. Are you saying that fact is due solely to racism? Are you saying those crimes…weren’t committed?
 
BTW, blacks commit more crimes than whites do. Are you saying that fact is due solely to racism? Are you saying those crimes…weren’t committed?
Ah, so you didn’t actually read the evidence you claimed you were interested in. Look, I know it’s a very long piece/read; to list all those findings in one page concisely enough for all to read–took me long enough to read it. Thankfully, the author kindly provided a content list you can use.

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All those beloved Right-wing myths about “Blacks commit more crimes, that’s why they’re targeted” are well studied and dismissed . . . you know, by the evidence you claimed you were interested in.
 
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No other country came remotely close to ending slavery violently the way Lincoln did it. Slaves were just pawns. Lincoln’s objective was to consolidate powers into Washington DC and he used slavery to accomplish that.
That still doesn’t mean slavery would’ve ended by itself. A myth Right-wingers and libertarians love to tell based on nothing substantial by way of evidence. As if there’s no use for other people when you can treat them like property just because you have machines that can plant faster.
 
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Surely it depends on the statues?

Most Christians do not have a problem with iconoclasm when it comes to pagan gods, especially back in the day.

But if its ok to cast down the statue of, say, Zeus (who is not even real), what is the issue of casting down the statue of Columbus who was a real - and a really really horrible (Hitler level horrible) person?
 
Apparently you’re taking the approach of “if I insult you enough, it’s not ad hominem.”

Interesting reasoning, but ultimately unconvincing to anyone lurking.
Or you’re deciding to be offended that I’m not shy about highlighting the staggering absurdity of claiming that not being able to insult black people with racial slurs is being victimized yourself.

And the second is an apt analogy, not an insult. Yes, your examples read like a rich kid complaining about the charity poor kids get. Feel insulted if you please, but that’s a straight illustration of why your examples don’t work, by use of analogy, and an explanation of why the analogy fits in the case of “special clubs” and history months when the entire fields are already dedicated to the “victim demographic” on whose behalf you’re claiming to complain.
 
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I cannot access this article due to not having a subscription to the website. I can see that it is listed as an opinion piece. Could you provide links to any studies the author references?
 
I don’t have a (paid) subscription either and can access it. I once listed a section of it (Police and profiling) on another thread. It was a lot. I’ll find it and link it.

PS: These are all the studies, not one/two, ten studies; and they’re all linked to each summarized finding and the compiler is a scholar in the field.
 
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Know what? I’m going to take a bit and wade thru the article in some detail.

That said, there are a host of issues I see with it right off, most notably, it appears to work backward from the conclusion of racism and acts as if racism caused the crimes - which is no way to run a study. Further, you can dislike my calling it an opinion piece, but that is in fact what it is.

Further, with all due respect, you are completely missing the argument I have made regarding the n-word. As I have said many times, it’s not that I’m complaining i can’t say it; I’m noting that blacks are allowed to but no one else can. WHY IS THAT? Because of - dare I say it - systemic favoritism of blacks? (The same systemic favoritism that exists in, say, employment and education).
 
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The bare fact that blacks commit more violent crime is proven by the statistics. If I remember right most interracial crime is also black on white and not the other way around. That article is indeed an opinion piece and nothing more.
 
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That said, there are a host of issues I see with it right off, most notably, it appears to work backward from the conclusion of racism and acts as if racism caused the crimes - which is no way to run a study.
Nonsense.

It’s not one study. It’s a compilation of the bazillion studies done all over the country on the issue of racism in the justice system over the years by a whole host of institutions and scholars. How do you conclude that? I think it says a lot if you go on dismissing “systemic racism” as a thing and then can’t be bothered to look at the complied list of evidence before saying something like what you just said in this post. You “can see that it’s no way to do a study” and “they concluded it first” . . . how are you doing that? By magic?
 
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Further, with all due respect, you are completely missing the argument I have made regarding the n-word. As I have said many times, it’s not that I’m complaining i can’t say it; I’m noting that blacks are allowed to but no one else can. WHY IS THAT? Because of - dare I say it - systemic favoritism of blacks? (The same systemic favoritism that exists in, say, employment and education).
It’s called taking a word back. People misused it so they lose it.

When I’m hanging with the boys I can say especially if we are rapping together because I been where they been.

Now I can’t do that with everyone but with people I know it’s chill.
 
That still doesn’t mean slavery would’ve ended by itself
Whether that is the case or not is total conjecture on both sides. But what is fact is that many countries in the 1800s had ended slavery by non violent means. Lincoln has the blood of over 600,000 people on his hands.
 
The article isn’t the raw data - it’s the interpretation of it, and a pretty biased one at that: “if more blacks get arrested than proportional, it must be because of racism.”

And I note as an aside that you’re doing a pretty good job of steering this to the justice system alone. Do you think blacks should get preferences in education or employment?
 
The bare fact that blacks commit more violent crime is proven by the statistics. If I remember right most interracial crime is also black on white and not the other way around. That article is indeed an opinion piece and nothing more.
And the bare fact they are targetted in a bagillion ways is proven by statistics too. You can call it an opinion piece if it tickles you to say, or a recipe: the studies listed and linked are not opinions, though, however inconvenient for your arguments.
 
And the bare fact they are targetted in a bagillion ways is proven by statistics too. You can call it an opinion piece if it tickles you to say, or a recipe: the studies listed and linked are not opinions, though, however inconvenient for your arguments.
I can cite FBI statistics all day if you like. The article is opinion and like VDT said an interpretation.
 
The countries that ended slavery by non-violent means (e.g. the UK) ended it by making it illegal - and the slave owners, unhappy as they were about it - grumbled a bit but did not actually try to use violence to keep slavery.

In the USA, the Southern slave owners responded with violence. It was them who have blood on their hands and not Lincoln.

Imagine someone today was using slaves and the police were called - and when the police showed up to enforce the law (which does not allow slavery), the slave owners started shooting at the police - and the police shot back. Who would be to blame?

It was the same situation back then.
 
I can cite FBI statistics all day if you like. The article is opinion and like VDT said an interpretation.
The stats you mention are part of the listed studies: Just one among many; you know—in a compilation of studies. I don’t know why you think I’d need it from you or why you think that one beloved right-wing talking point makes the other studies magically poof.

It’s a summary of the findings: Not an interpretation. The author tells us what the studies found; thats it. Including those favorable to right-wingers.
 
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