Why not speak out against Protestants?

[sandmountainsli]

I (a Methodist) was talking to an Independent Baptist deacon who happens to be a friend of mine today and I was telling him of some of the Catholic opinions which I read on this board to get his reaction.
I told him that the main point seems to be that the CC was built on Peter and the gates of Hell shan’t prevail against it.
His reply to that was amusing to me but you folks may not think so, he said “Just because the Romans killed Peter and built a church on top of his body does NOT make their church built on Peter!” I had to smile at that one, I had never heard it before.
WP

 

[Mannyfit75]

I (a Methodist) was talking to an Independent Baptist deacon who happens to be a friend of mine today and I was telling him of some of the Catholic opinions which I read on this board to get his reaction.
I told him that the main point seems to be that the CC was built on Peter and the gates of Hell shan’t prevail against it.
His reply to that was amusing to me but you folks may not think so, he said “Just because the Romans killed Peter and built a church on top of his body does NOT make their church built on Peter!” I had to smile at that one, I had never heard it before.
WP

That is very arrogant of him to say. Pagan Rome persecuted Peter, crucified. At the time, the Church then was Catholic and it was persecuted by Roman Empire which is still Pagan.

 

[angiegirl67]

I find it amazing that some here do not respect your Holy Father(s) enough to follow their examples.

Pope JP is quoted of saying to Billy Graham when he visited the Vatican “We are Brothers”. Here we saw a thread “Is Billy Graham” saved.

If your Holy Father accepts me as a brother in Christ, who are (some of) you that I should care about what you say?

The Catholic Chruch does not exactly say who is going to heaven (saved) and who is not. The Church would say that the Catholic Church offers the fullness of Christianity. My priest once explained it like this… He said that our Protestant brothers and sisters will be in purgatory in RCIA before they are in the presence of the Lord.

 

[angiegirl67]

But there is no such person. Everyone follows some particular interpretation of the Bible. Those who claim that they don’t are naive to the point of dishonesty (i.e., no human being has the right to be that naive).

Edwin

yes many protestant churches have errors in their doctrine and are wrong in some places, but i dont see how someone who follows the Bible and the Bible alone can be wrong just because they aren’t Catholic. isn’t the Bible completely true? the Bible doesn’t say anywhere “Hey Brady, you should be Catholic or you cant follow Me proberly.” it says to follow God and gather with others who follow God and the Bible. yes the Catholic church can be helpful in your walk as a Christian but God hasn’t told me it is necessary to be Catholic to live a godly life. Didn’t God say where people are gathered in His name (not specifically the name of the Church) He would be there? (actually where is that i cant remember? ).

but completely going around the point in the BIG PICTURE TYPE of thing, i cant understand why there is the big fight between protestants and catholics. aren’t we all children of God? doesn’t God use both protestants and catholics to do His will? sure the Catholic church killed lots of people back in the day but so did alot of protestants. shouldn’t we be working spread the Gospel and quit all this fighting over the meaning of words and pointless stuff that does no good. What is causing the quarrels and fights among you? Dont they come from the evil desires at war within you? James 4:1. protestants and catholics have got to a point in this fight that they have quit trying to find out truth and are just trying to defend their “church”. We all need to examine our ways and see if they are in agreement with the only thing we know is true, the Bible.

and with that i will say goodbye!
1 Corinthians 1:10
Lamentations 3:40

Brady,
Did you know that for about the first 300 years after Christ death there wasn’t a Bible as we know it? That is were Sacred Tradition comes in to play. Did you also know that for 1050 year after Christ died that there was only one church the Catholic Church? Then we had two the Eastern Church that is very similar to the Catholic Church. Did you also know that it was the Catholic Church that decided in a council what books would be put in the Bible as we know it today? And did you know that the Catholic Bible has more books in it than a Protestant one? Did you also know it was Catholic monks who sat for pain staking hours with bad lighting translating the Bible so it would be available. (Please don’t jump on Catholics not wanting people to read it in ancient time’s that is a whole other topic.)
I think you need to do some research on Church history and find out why we know the Catholic Church to be the Church that Jesus Christ founded and why we believe so deeply that it is thought it you receive the fullness of Christianity.

I wish you grace on your journey, as we are all on it and I will pray for you.

 

[awantz]

The Catholic Chruch does not exactly say who is going to heaven (saved) and who is not. The Church would say that the Catholic Church offers the fullness of Christianity. My priest once explained it like this… He said that our Protestant brothers and sisters will be in purgatory in RCIA before they are in the presence of the Lord.

What if they’ve already gone to RCIA here on Earth? They just have never gone through Conformation.

 

[angiegirl67]

What if they’ve already gone to RCIA here on Earth? They just have never gone through Conformation.

Are you a Protestant or a Catholic?

If you are a Catholic there shouldn’t be any reasons why you should not be working toward being Confirmed. If you were a Catholic by baptism and Holy Communion and are not practicing as one, but are practicing your faith in the Protestant faith you have actually ex-communicated yourself from the Catholic Church.

RCIA usually includes Confirmation why were you not Confirmed if you went through the program?

 

[awantz]

Are you a Protestant or a Catholic?

If you are a Catholic there shouldn’t be any reasons why you should not be working toward being Confirmed. If you were a Catholic by baptism and Holy Communion and are not practicing as one, but are practicing your faith in the Protestant faith you have actually ex-communicated yourself from the Catholic Church.

RCIA usually includes Confirmation why were you not Confirmed if you went through the program?

I am neither Catholic nor Protestant. I am nondenominational. I was told by a Catholic that means I am not Protestant, but I’m not Catholic either.
I thought you had to be confirmed before you could be a Catholic. I was baptised in a Protestant church and that baptism is accepted/acknowledged in the Catholic church. I believe the same as the Catholic church when it comes to Holy Communion, but I only get a blessing. I do/don’t do preety much everything my Catholic husband does/doesn’t do. I also attend an independent nondenominational church.Some people would say that I am practicing two faiths. I was told Confirmation was optional. I didn’t go through with it, because I could feel a strong presence inside of me telling me that conformation is not the right thing for me to do, I still had questions, and the people there made me feel unwelcome. Maybe things will change in the future and maybe not.We’ll just have to wait and see.

 

[angiegirl67]

I am neither Catholic nor Protestant. I am nondenominational. I was told by a Catholic that means I am not Protestant, but I’m not Catholic either.
I thought you had to be confirmed before you could be a Catholic. I was baptised in a Protestant church and that baptism is accepted/acknowledged in the Catholic church. I believe the same as the Catholic church when it comes to Holy Communion, but I only get a blessing. I do/don’t do preety much everything my Catholic husband does/doesn’t do. I also attend an independent nondenominational church.Some people would say that I am practicing two faiths. I was told Confirmation was optional. I didn’t go through with it, because I could feel a strong presence inside of me telling me that conformation is not the right thing for me to do, I still had questions, and the people there made me feel unwelcome. Maybe things will change in the future and maybe not.We’ll just have to wait and see.

I was responding to you saying you had gone through RCIA which indicated to me that you were a Catholic. RCIA is the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults but now I realize that you went through the program but was not ready to complete the process with your Confirmation at the Easter Vigil. I would suggest you continue your journey and maybe pray about coming into the fullness of Christianity by pursuing your Confirmation.

 

[awantz]

I was responding to you saying you had gone through RCIA which indicated to me that you were a Catholic. RCIA is the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults but now I realize that you went through the program but was not ready to complete the process with your Confirmation at the Easter Vigil. I would suggest you continue your journey and maybe pray about coming into the fullness of Christianity by pursuing your Confirmation.

I have prayed about it and that is why I have not gone through conformation. I do not need to go through conformation to be in the fullness of Christianity, I am already in the fullness of Christianity.

 

[angiegirl67]

I have prayed about it and that is why I have not gone through conformation. I do not need to go through conformation to be in the fullness of Christianity, I am already in the fullness of Christianity.

Actually the belief is that Catholicism holds the fullness of Christianity with all it’s Traditions and Sacraments and the grace’s you receive through those Sacraments.

Peace

 

[guanophore]

I am neither Catholic nor Protestant. I am nondenominational. I was told by a Catholic that means I am not Protestant, but I’m not Catholic either.

If you are not in union with the successor of Peter, then you are a Protestant

I thought you had to be confirmed before you could be a Catholic. I was baptised in a Protestant church and that baptism is accepted/acknowledged in the Catholic church. I believe the same as the Catholic church when it comes to Holy Communion, but I only get a blessing. I do/don’t do preety much everything my Catholic husband does/doesn’t do. I also attend an independent nondenominational church.Some people would say that I am practicing two faiths.

I iam curious, what do you get in your nondenom church that you don’t get in Catholic?

I was told Confirmation was optional. I didn’t go through with it, because I could feel a strong presence inside of me telling me that conformation is not the right thing for me to do, I still had questions, and the people there made me feel unwelcome. Maybe things will change in the future and maybe not.We’ll just have to wait and see.

It is good that you have questions, and are hearing your inner convictions. I hope you find answers to your questions, and that unwelocoming people will not prevent you from the fullness.

 

[awantz]

If you are not in union with the successor of Peter, then you are a Protestant
I respect and look up to the Pope. The only reason I say I am not Protestant is, because another Catholic on here told me I am not. He/she said I am just a Christian, I don’t belong to any church or denomination.

I iam curious, what do you get in your nondenom church that you don’t get in Catholic?
I attend both and I get things from both. Personally, I feel the presents of the Holy Spirit more in the nondenominational church than I do in the Catholic church. No offense to Catholics.

It is good that you have questions, and are hearing your inner convictions. I hope you find answers to your questions, and that unwelocoming people will not prevent you from the fullness.

Thank You

 

[Curious]

Two things:

1. I’m really in awe of the fact that the questions Prots come on here with are nothing new under the sun. I have yet to see any variance from the same old accusations, misconceptions, and sometimes sincere questions, and yet you guys explain patiently over and over and over and over and over and over again. You are to be commended.
2. I’ve read several posts on this thread that made comments trending toward the, “It doesn’t matter what we are, let’s all just have a group hug and get along attitude and serve God” attitude. In a way, that’s all very well and nice, and certainly better than rabid and/or clueless anti-Catholic (or anti-Protestant) statements, but doesn’t it BOTHER any of my fellow Prots that our Catholic friends have a point about the utter discord and dissension and YUCK between Prot denoms? I can NOT accept that this was what Jesus intended, and most honest folks would at least consider agreeing with me. So which one? Doesn’t it drive anyone crazy to find the truth, or at least try to, instead of just being content to “do the best we can and hope we’re believing the right thing?” Sometimes I just resign myself to that latter statement, shrugging my shoulders and wallowing in frustration that I’ll never know the truth until I get to heaven. I don’t know. I wish I were more content with whatever brand of Prot I am.

Sorry…that might have been slightly off topic. It wasn’t intentional.

 

[guanophore]

Two things:

1. I’m really in awe of the fact that the questions Prots come on here with are nothing new under the sun. I have yet to see any variance from the same old accusations, misconceptions, and sometimes sincere questions, and yet you guys explain patiently over and over and over and over and over and over again. You are to be commended.
2. I’ve read several posts on this thread that made comments trending toward the, “It doesn’t matter what we are, let’s all just have a group hug and get along attitude and serve God” attitude. In a way, that’s all very well and nice, and certainly better than rabid and/or clueless anti-Catholic (or anti-Protestant) statements, but doesn’t it BOTHER any of my fellow Prots that our Catholic friends have a point about the utter discord and dissension and YUCK between Prot denoms? I can NOT accept that this was what Jesus intended, and most honest folks would at least consider agreeing with me. So which one? Doesn’t it drive anyone crazy to find the truth, or at least try to, instead of just being content to “do the best we can and hope we’re believing the right thing?” Sometimes I just resign myself to that latter statement, shrugging my shoulders and wallowing in frustration that I’ll never know the truth until I get to heaven. I don’t know. I wish I were more content with whatever brand of Prot I am.

Sorry…that might have been slightly off topic. It wasn’t intentional.

Well, there is a simple solution for that! Become Catholic!

 

[sandmountainsli]

I am neither Catholic nor Protestant. I am nondenominational. I was told by a Catholic that means I am not Protestant, but I’m not Catholic either.
I thought you had to be confirmed before you could be a Catholic. I was baptised in a Protestant church and that baptism is accepted/acknowledged in the Catholic church.

What would I be considered?
I was baptised in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit by an Independent Baptist deacon (by pouring rather than submersion) with his full understanding that I just wanted to join Christianity as a whole rather than his church, I attended his church once afterwards and have since only worshipped at a Congregational Methodist Church, but I have never joined their congregation, I explained to the Minister that I just want to be a member of Christianity in general and no particular denomination and he had no arguments with my decision.
What am I considered?
Is my baptism accepted by the CC or would they like to re-baptise me someday?
WP

 

[awantz]

What would I be considered?
I was baptised in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit by an Independent Baptist deacon (by pouring rather than submersion) with his full understanding that I just wanted to join Christianity as a whole rather than his church, I attended his church once afterwards and have since only worshipped at a Congregational Methodist Church, but I have never joined their congregation, I explained to the Minister that I just want to be a member of Christianity in general and no particular denomination and he had no arguments with my decision.
What am I considered?
Is my baptism accepted by the CC or would they like to re-baptise me someday?
WP

If you do not want to be catagorized with any particular denomination, you would be nondenominational like me. Yes, I feel your baptism would be recognized by the Catholic church. I don’t see any reason why not. Mine is.

 

[DLC]

Eph 2:20
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

This verse affirms that the church is "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ himself as the “chief cornerstone.” Two things are clear from this: First, all the apostles not just Peter are the foundation of the church; second, the only one who was given a unique or prominant place was Jesus Christ, the “cheif-cornerstone”. Christ

The church was never founded upon Peter.

 

[lak611]

What would I be considered?
I was baptised in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit by an Independent Baptist deacon (by pouring rather than submersion) with his full understanding that I just wanted to join Christianity as a whole rather than his church, I attended his church once afterwards and have since only worshipped at a Congregational Methodist Church, but I have never joined their congregation, I explained to the Minister that I just want to be a member of Christianity in general and no particular denomination and he had no arguments with my decision.
What am I considered?
Is my baptism accepted by the CC or would they like to re-baptise me someday?
WP

You would not need to be re-baptized. Your baptism is valid since it was done in the Trinitarian formula. People who are baptized only in the name of Jesus would need to be re-baptized to join the Catholic Church since baptism must be given in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in order to be valid.

 

[sandmountainsli]

If the CC considers those of us baptised properly outside the church to be baptised Christians does the CC also consider us to be members of their church only “out of communion” or whatever?
What is their official position on properly baptised Christians who attend protestant churches?
WP

 

[guanophore]

What would I be considered? I was baptised in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit by an Independent Baptist deacon (by pouring rather than submersion) with his full understanding that I just wanted to join Christianity as a whole rather than his church, I attended his church once afterwards and have since only worshipped at a Congregational Methodist Church, but I have never joined their congregation, I explained to the Minister that I just want to be a member of Christianity in general and no particular denomination and he had no arguments with my decision. What am I considered?
Is my baptism accepted by the CC or would they like to re-baptise me someday?
WP

Maybe you are an uncatechised Catholic ! No, I don’t think you will be rebaptized. It sounds like you were validly baptized.