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MagdalenaRita
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I remember it being the way it was described.
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prayerrider
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Actually, complementarianism comes from natural and Divine law. The Vatican doesn’t need to make an official statement about it; it is self evident that men and women are fundamentally different and it is revealed truth that men and women are spiritually equal in the eyes of God, with equally valuable immortal souls.
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edwest
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Thank you.
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RealisticCatholic
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Why does it upset you?
Most cartoons aren’t totally aligned to the Nicene Creed either, but I wonder if that also strikes a conflict for you?
Many couples in shows are presumed to not practice Catholic sexual ethics in general (I wonder how many of them are supposed to be practicing NFP?) Does this concern you?
Genuinely asking. Just wondering what it is about a gay couple that bugs you.
Most cartoons aren’t totally aligned to the Nicene Creed either, but I wonder if that also strikes a conflict for you?
Many couples in shows are presumed to not practice Catholic sexual ethics in general (I wonder how many of them are supposed to be practicing NFP?) Does this concern you?
Genuinely asking. Just wondering what it is about a gay couple that bugs you.
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MagdalenaRita
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Feminists were one of the big reasons the ERA didn’t pass. Most people didn’t realize how radical they were until one of their events was televised on the news and people saw how radical and angry they were and many women backed away from them, until feminists changed the words they used, such as changing abortion to womens healthcare.
I went to high school with a young woman who would call men every name in the book just for the fun it.
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exnihilo
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We’ve found something we agree on! I hate having things on my fingers or wrist. I do have a chain around my neck for medals on which I also put my ring for safe keeping. I tried wearing the ring for a week or so but all I did was take it off and roll it between my fingers. It would have found its way into a sewer drain or something if I’d have kept it up.
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edwest
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I worked in a major hospital. I dealt with pregnant women. I knew the drill. Nothing has changed.
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Thorolfr
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I went door to door in 2000 to talk to my fellow California citizens in the city where I lived to try and convince them to vote against Proposition 22 which would forbid the state from recognizing same-sex marriage. That’s not “propaganda” which relies on biased or misleading information. I was just trying to let my neighbors know how Prop 22 would affect me and other people like me. Personal contact is important in changing people’s minds.
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Thorolfr
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That commercial was probably targeted at gay men. Most commercials are intended to help companies sell more products.edwest:
Yes I saw commercial during NCAA games showing Gay Male Couple talking to babysitter. They were quizzing her on the bedtime for “our kids”, etc. She asked them for Wifi password and they said “we already told you, its the names of our kids” Just one example of how the culture is going to big lengths to really normalize Gay Marriage, which was opposed by even Obama a mere 10 years ago.
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edwest
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It’s important that people get all the facts. Same-sex marriage may be legal but it doesn’t equal heterosexual marriage. The Church has made it clear that marriage is not just any union between two people. When the US Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage, that decision was followed by legal action taken by a man who wanted to marry two women. Marriage cannot be redefined.
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exnihilo
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How could that not be biased? You were promoting how it would affect you specifically and not how it would affect others who you naturally excluded from your presentation. Propaganda isn’t some rare thing. It is quite common.
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Thorolfr
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Propaganda is usually intended to mislead which was was not what I was doing. No one has the ability to talk about anything and inform someone of all the ramifications of an issue. The people I talk to should also do their own research while hopefully taking what I said into account.
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Thorolfr
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Since I’m not Catholic, it wasn’t my duty to inform everyone of the Catholic point of view on this issue. Should I also have given them the “facts” from the Jewish point of view and the Hindu point of view and the Wiccan point of view, etc.?
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edwest
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There are various types of propaganda. The type currently being used is referred to as “engineering consent.” The point is to “get the numbers up” for whatever the issue is.
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Dhc8_Type
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AT&T commercial I thought it was funny. Did you see the other one where the guys heart surgeon just got off of malpractice suspension?
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exnihilo
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I think propaganda is simply promoting a position. Almost without exception advocates are biased and present a biased viewpoint. We can’t really know if people are intentionally misleading but if they are presenting biased information, which almost everyone is, then opponents will almost always call that misleading. So being misleading is really, at least from the other parties point of view, what is always happening when biased information, which is really any that is for a particular viewpoint, is presented.
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edwest
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Either truth is true or it’s not. In the current media climate, a lot of issue advocacy is occurring. Why? To drill certain ideas into people’s heads. That’s propaganda.
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exnihilo
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This is how it works in popular culture. When the Catholic Church is promoting its position that is religious propaganda. When other people are promoting their position it is just unbiased facts. If Catholics asked to not show a same sex couple that would be trying to impose religious views on people. When media producers people show a same sex couple that is just ‘being real’. The producers gave no artistic thought to the matter. The choice wasn’t really a choice but an accident of chemicals. Of course this is all a lie.
I have no problem calling both propaganda. And if anyone thinks that there isn’t always some viewpoint being pushed in any media then they are naive.
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Thorolfr
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Almost all organized groups do this if they can. Why do you think Saudi Arabia or Turkey or many other counties employ publib relations firms in the US? They want to influence US public opinion. Why does the Anti Defamation League do what it does? To influence how Americans view Jews and Israel.
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edwest
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All I’m saying is: facts are facts. To answer the OP’s question: gay couples are on TV because Hollywood contains lobbyists just like Washington, D.C. The new thing is to introduce same-sex couples to TV viewers as if they were always there. Promoting same-sex relationships causes confusion. Like, “I didn’t know guys could marry each other.” like it’s no big deal. The Church has spoken about this and Catholics should know that same-sex marriage is not considered equivalent to heterosexual marriage.
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