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JulianN said:
What in heaven’s name is the problem with the title, Ms.?
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It is supposed to be a title that separates a woman from being either Miss - single, or mostly from being a Mrs. - married.

Women used to use the title Mrs. Joe Smith or Mrs. Sam Smith rather than Mrs. Linda Smith or Mrs. Susan Smith. That showed they were married and who they were married to. Feminists did not like that, so out comes the independent and free title - Ms.

I do not like being called Ms and my mother never like it either. She sometimes would not answer to it or be sure and let people know she was not a Ms. but a Mrs. I too, sometimes will correct someone who calls me Ms.
 
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MagdalenaRita said:
I do not like being called Ms and my mother never like it either. She sometimes would not answer to it or be sure and let people know she was not a Ms. but a Mrs. I too, sometimes will correct someone who calls me Ms.
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That seems a little overly sensitive. Sometimes people just go with “Ms” because they honestly don’t know your marital status.
 
Ms. is a fake substitute for Miss. It was a protest against men. Writing Miss or Mrs., even on an envelope, was strictly forbidden. Only women who were “owned” by men, such as those who were married, would use the wrong word before their name. And the Women’s Liberation Movement was based on Marxist class warfare:

Women, the eternal victims class.
Men, the eternal enemies class.

Let’s face it, if you’re a man that automatically makes you guilty of something. If you approach a woman within a 50 foot radius, well… you’re a bad man. An automatic threat. So, don’t talk to women, unless it’s a business setting. Do not approach a woman under any circumstance.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
Sometimes people just go with “Ms” because they honestly don’t know your marital status.
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You’re correct. Sometimes they do but it is not always because they don’t know your marital status. It is still used as a title that says, “independent, free woman”, whether you’re married with a family or not.
 
I think correcting someone who insists on calling you “ms” against your wishes is fine. I just hope people aren’t assuming malice when it might just be genuine ignorance.

When I worked a summer job in high school and I had to deal random customers, I’d say “ms” generally. Not because I was some kind of radical Marxist trying to undermine marriage, but because I’m not going to go, “excuse me, are you married?” to every woman I encounter.
 
I would say the best thing to do is call by them by the name they use when they introduce themselves to you.
 
Sure, but sometimes you’re flying blind. Say you’re drafting a past due notice and all you know is the account holder is named Sara Jones.

“Dear Sara” is too informal. So you probably go with with “Dear Ms. Jones, your account is past due blah blah blah…”
 
Ryan1 said:
Being gay” (whatever that means) and having experienced SSA are conflated. I have experienced intense SSA (which is not uncommon among men and women), but I do not believe I am diagnosably homosexual.
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Well isn’t that a good thing that you get to identify yourself however you wish. That is what everyone is entitled to, whether you approve of their identity or not.
 
A person’s name is something very important to them. People like to hear it. They like it to be said correctly and you’re right many times you are flying blind and do not know how to pronounce it. In person you can ask but in a letter it is a little more difficult.

Just a suggestion but you could just start the account holder’s letter with Sara Jones. Skip the dear part.
 
MagdalenaRita said:
Just a suggestion but you could just start the account holder’s letter with Sara Jones. Skip the dear part.
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I mean, this is no longer a problem for me, that was like 20 years ago. 🙂

But my point is just that there are situations where someone just doesn’t know a woman’s marital status and is trying to be polite/diplomatic. We shouldn’t assume that every use of “ms” is based on some nefarious political agenda.
 
I understand the history—just not the problem. In business, I don’t feel the need to announce my marital status. Also, I’m old enough to remember that being a bar to getting a job.

I’ll stick with Miss Manners on this one. 😊
 
Yes, but it’s improper to assign yourself a title upon introduction.
 
edwest said:
Ms. is a fake substitute for Miss. It was a protest against men. Writing Miss or Mrs., even on an envelope, was strictly forbidden. Only women who were “owned” by men, such as those who were married, would use the wrong word before their name. And the Women’s Liberation Movement was based on Marxist class warfare:

Women, the eternal victims class.
Men, the eternal enemies class.

Let’s face it, if you’re a man that automatically makes you guilty of something. If you approach a woman within a 50 foot radius, well… you’re a bad man. An automatic threat. So, don’t talk to women, unless it’s a business setting. Do not approach a woman under any circumstance
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Thank you for posting this, Ed. It really puts the rest of your posts (and the anger they convey) into context for me.

I am really sorry that your life experiences, whatever they are, have you believing these things. Fortunately, not everyone feels the same.
 
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edwest said:
Ms. is a fake substitute for Miss. It was a protest against men. Writing Miss or Mrs., even on an envelope, was strictly forbidden. Only women who were “owned” by men, such as those who were married, would use the wrong word before their name.
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Since “Mrs” is not properly used with a woman’s first name, it’s understandable that women in business were looking for an alternative.

One isn’t Mrs. Sara Jones, but rather Mrs. John Jones.
 
So silly. Modern women didn’t (and still don’t, for the most part), want everyone all up in their personal business. This includes knowing their marital status, when it isn’t pertinent to whatever business is taking place. Mr. doesn’t signify marital status. So women wanted the same option. Not that hard to understand. Seems perfectly reasonable.
 
Aquinas11 said:
Notice how women are free to decide what they do, what they’re called, etc, unless it opposes the Feminist agenda in which case they’re shamed. So they’re not free. They’re must make decisions consistent with the Feminist agenda to avoid shaming or pay the price with heavy blowback.
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I know plenty of women who still go by “Mrs.” or “Miss”. Plenty of others, yet, do choose “Ms.” I don’t see the shaming. I really don’t care and I don’t think most people where I live do. Perhaps this is a regional thing?
 
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