Why the bible is most assuredly not a Catholic book,

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Marian devotion is 4 centuries older than the bible…I have read a bit about it, and in the second century she was declared the Theotokis…I never can understand why protestants are so insulting about her. I doubt that it pleases God who created her to be the spotless vessel to carry our Lord to hear people sneer about her
 
Pier said:
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We are warned not to become puffed up with pride. :nope:
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Apologies - but as a Jew who did come to Christ, I believe this to be scriptural and true and I truly do praise God for it. I didn’t intend my comment to be prideful, but thankful.

Blessings,

Brian
 
Brian you should go to EWTN website and type in Bob Fishman to the religious catalog search engine…He has a DVD about Catholicisms Jewish roots…It is so interesting…I have seen a bit of it on EWTN…he talks about all kinds of things…Why we use Holy Water and Why the book of the Gospels is held high in the air as it is processed to the altar…It is very nice , not at all dry or boring
 
redrosetea said:
Brian you should go to EWTN website and type in Bob Fishman to the religious catalog search engine…He has a DVD about Catholicisms Jewish roots…It is so interesting…I have seen a bit of it on EWTN…he talks about all kinds of things…Why we use Holy Water and Why the book of the Gospels is held high in the air as it is processed to the altar…It is very nice , not at all dry or boring
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many thanks! I’ll do that.

Blessings,

Brian
 
Robbinson said:
Apologies - but as a Jew who did come to Christ, I believe this to be scriptural and true and I truly do praise God for it. I didn’t intend my comment to be prideful, but thankful.

Blessings,

Brian
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Please pardon - I wasn’t directing that toward you, or anyone else in particular… :o
 
SIA said:
The Bible doesn’t say anything about that. Where would you get your information that Mary was venerated in the first century then?
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I think St. Luke is first century. And in the Bible.

You still haven’t responded:
Isa_Almisry said:
The Scriptures Say:

The Bread that we break, is it not communion in the Body of Christ? I Corinthians 10:16
Catholics Say:

Do you believe she died?

Scripture doesn’t tell us.

Protestants must disregard Scripture to satisfy their doctrines.

Protestants say;

solo scriptura

The Scriptures say:

“Therefore brethren, stand fast and hold the TRADITIONS which you were taught by word or our epistle” II Thessalonians 2:15

“Now I praise you that you remember me in all things and keep the TRADITIONS just as I delievered them to you.” I Corinthians 11:2

Protestans say:

You shouldn’t make such a fuss about Mary

The Scriptures say:

"Elizabeth was FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT then she spoke out with a loud voice and said “BLESSED ARE YOU among women and blessed is the fruit of YOUR womb. But why is it GRANTED TO ME that the MOTHER of my Lord should come to me?” Luke 1:42-3.

Protestans say:

Just read the Bible.

The Scriptures say:

"But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,’ 2 Peter 1:20

“How can I understand unless someone guides me?” Acts 8:31

“There are some things in them hard to understand, which the unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.” 2 Peter 3:16.

"Prescribe and teach these things. Let no one look down on your youthfulness, but rather in speech, conduct, love, faith and purity, show yourself an example of those who believe. Until I come, give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching. Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery. Take pains with these things; be absorbed in them, so that your progress will be evident to all. Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.
" I Timothy 4:
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From church history is where I got it…I am not surprised the bible didn’t say anything about it…Where in the Bible does it say if it isn’t in the Bible it isn’t true? Where does the scripture tell us the bible is our only source? It doesn’t…the word bible isn’t even in the bible

We have tradition just as the Jews have tradition…It isn’t our fault the Protestant threw the baby out with the bath water…They lost the treasures of the church

I will never believe in sola scriptora

Google is your friend…why not do some research?
 
Isa_Almisry said:
I think St. Luke is first century. And in the Bible.

You still haven’t responded:
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You haven’t shown me where Mary was venerated in the Scriptures. Nothing in St. Luke. I’m guessing that you may be referring to the angel Gabriel calling her blessed. That makes her amongst several others mentioned in Scripture that were also called blessed. Don’t get me wrong, Mary was the greatest woman who ever lived and foremost of all the saints in Heaven. I have no problem with the Hail Mary and the Rosary. I say it about once a month and am trying to say it more often.
 
Well, if you still call her blessed, you really are venerating her, you know. A saint and the greatest woman who ever lived–that is veneration.

Why is she a saint and the greatest woman who ever lived? Because she was the Mother of our Savior. Every ‘blessing’ we give to Mary by acknowledging her blessed (venerating her) we are giving to Christ ultimately. There’s no competition. There’s no confusion. Christ is Savior and Creator: Mary is mother of Savior and Creator, most highly blessed among women.

Catholics who venerate Mary by calling her blessed, Mother of God, ever Virgin (just like Martin Luther and John Calvin did), are really not doing anything different from what you are. Some of the ‘flowery’ titles are poetic language (and it is kind of nice, actually, to have that language. The King James version of the Bible (not the revised, the original) has some of the most beautiful passages in the English language --it is poetry. . .ornate and flowery to the taste of some today, but undeniably beautiful. Sure it might take a little more effort to understand the language in the context it was used, but it’s worth it.

A lot of the difficulties we have in talking as Catholic and Protestant are related to simple misunderstandings of context and language. When you come right down to it, though, SIA, your own words about Mary are really no different than the words I would use, as a Catholic. I might go into greater detail (which might make you uncomfortable) but if I were to ‘streamline’ I’d say that while you may not have gone as ‘far’ as I would in describing Mary, what you did describe is absolutely and totally in line with the Catholic view: A saint and the greatest woman who ever lived. We are in perfect agreement on that --and God bless you for your openness to the Rosary and your obvious devotion to Mary and your love and faith in Christ who saves us all.
 
SIA said:
You haven’t shown me where Mary was venerated in the Scriptures. Nothing in St. Luke. I’m guessing that you may be referring to the angel Gabriel calling her blessed.
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Actually, as the quotes show, I was referring to the Holy Spirit through St. Elizabeth calling blessed and “mother of My Lord” and indicating that Elizabeth was honored by Mary’s visitation, St. John leaping at her greeting.
That makes her amongst several others mentioned in Scripture that were also called blessed.
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all worthy of veneration.

btw, look how Solomon venerated his mother in the beging of 1 Kings.
Don’t get me wrong, Mary was the greatest woman who ever lived and foremost of all the saints in Heaven. I have no problem with the Hail Mary and the Rosary. I say it about once a month and am trying to say it more often.
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Then I don’t think I’m alone in :confused:
 
SIA said:
The Bible doesn’t say anything about that. Where would you get your information that Mary was venerated in the first century then?
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Please stop it. Just…stop it. Your replies are beginning to sound like a spambot.
 
SIA said:
You haven’t shown me where Mary was venerated in the Scriptures. Nothing in St. Luke. I’m guessing that you may be referring to the angel Gabriel calling her blessed. That makes her amongst several others mentioned in Scripture that were also called blessed. Don’t get me wrong, Mary was the greatest woman who ever lived and foremost of all the saints in Heaven. I have no problem with the Hail Mary and the Rosary. I say it about once a month and am trying to say it more often.
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Then what do you called Elizabeth praising Mary when Mary visited her cousin.She (Elizabeth) said to Mary, “Blessed you are amongst women and blessed is the fruit of your womb.”

We Catholics say that in the rosary! If that isn’t veneration, I don’t know what is.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Then what do you called Elizabeth praising Mary when Mary visited her cousin.She (Elizabeth) said to Mary, “Blessed you are amongst women and blessed is the fruit of your womb.”

We Catholics say that in the rosary! If that isn’t veneration, I don’t know what is.
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You forgot the “filled with the Holy Spirit” part.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Well, I know Elizabeth said that when she was filled with the Holy Spirit.
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Yeah, but with Protestants I like to emphasize the Cause of why she said that.

No one calls Jesus Lord but by the Holy Spirit. So they got a lot of 'splaining about that “mother” part in there.
 
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