**Protestants like to ask this question because it is not **explicitly in the Bible.
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Had to take out some of your response so I could post.
Yes, I understand what you are saying. Still, it doesn’t support the statement that we can prayer to Mary or Saints.
Lets look at one of the major verses that is use to support praying to anyone else but God, Rev. 5:8-14.
*"And when He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, having each one a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy art Thou to take the book, and to break its seals; for Thou wast slain, and didst purchase for God with Thy blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. “And Thou hast made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth.” And I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.” And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.” And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped,” *
Unlike some other Christians, I have no problem with belieiving those in heaven hear what is said on earth. Does this justify praying to those who are in heaven? No.
Regarding verse 8, can the prayers be authored by those who are already in heaven? It doesn’t say. There are different interpretations on exactly who the saints are because their identity can’t be demonstrated Revelation is a highly symbolic book. Therefore, if it cannot be demonstrated conclusively who they are, then it cannot be demonstrated conclusively whose prayers they are either. Verse 9 says “they sang a new song.” Who is the “they”? It would have to be either the the four living creatures and/or the 24 elders since “prayers of the saints” don’t sing, “creatures” and “elders” do the singing.
In verse 11-12 the angels, the creatures, and the elders who were all around the throne (which means they are in heaven) were praising God directly. In verse 13 it says every created thing in heaven and earth was praising God, then the elders fell down and worshiped, verse 14.
Just because those in heaven can hear the prayers of those on Earth does not mean that is okay to pray to saints. If they can hear the prayers of people it is because God grants that to them. Can those in heaven hear the prayers uttered without speech? Can they read minds? It is only God who knows all things and only God can grant anyone to hear or know what the prayers are of those who pray in silence. The saints don’t have omniscience. Nevertheless, all the verse is saying is that they can hear the praise and worship of God. It does not say that they are to receive prayers, nor does it imply praying to them is permitted. All it says is that they can hear the prayers and praise. There is nothing suggesting that those on Earth are requesting the prayers or intercession of those in heaven.
Even if the case can be made that prayers are authored in heaven, and that those prayers are mingled with the prayers of those from Earth, it still does not justify those on Earth praying to those in heaven. At best, all that we can say is that the prayers of those in heaven and the prayers of those on Earth are mingled. To say any more than that is to read into the Scripture what is not there.
Can the saints in heaven hear every prayer of every creature all the time? The Catholic Church says that it’s possible. Otherwise, it would not be possible to pray to Mary legitimately. The Catholic Church says that we do not know what the state is of those in heaven and that we should not therefore conclude that they cannot hear all of our prayers. But that doesn’t make sense. In other words, the Church doesn’t know what it is like so they conclude it’s possible. It is an argument based on what we do not know, not what we do know. This is a very, very weak way of trying to present a position. Ultimately, it is an admission by the Catholic Church that the Scriptures do not teach in any direct way their dogma of praying to the saints.
There is no biblical teaching at all that states we are to pray to those who once were alive on earth and are now in heaven. Revelation says:
"*And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, “Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy,” *(Rev. 19:10).
John wants to bow the knee and worship the angel. But the angel tells him not to do that because he is a fellow creature. If the angel says that he is a fellow creature like John, and that John is not to bow to him, then neither should anyone else bow to an angel, or any creature so as to offer worship. Worship includes prayer. Therefore, no one should pray to any created thing.
I was just answering his question. I know all the history.
