Why WAP Matters

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Pattylt said:
If secularity “wins” the war of ideas I think most religions will do as they have always done when forced into silence…go underground and slowly try to change the minds of the people. There will always be religion of some kind trying yet again to win the hearts and minds of the public.
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I agree with this. I actually think that for the most part, Christianity in the U.S. IS already “underground.”

You don’t dare speak about your faith in a workplace or school now unless you are willing to get fired or expelled. You keep silent and live faith without talking about it. I don’t think that’s Biblical, but it’s what many of us are doing to survive here.

I wish it were not so–I lived through the delightful “Christianity awakening” in the late 1960s/early 70s, and it was wonderful when so many people were interested in Jesus and attending Billy Graham crusades, Campus Crusade for Christ events, concerts by really GOOD Christian rock musicians (including John Michael Talbot!), wearing “Jesus” apparel, wearing buttons proclaiming their faith, and writing books about how to live for Christ. It was wonderful when Dr. James Dobson was a hero, and “liberalism” was recognized and denounced. It was wonderful when as a Sunday school teacher for young teens, I was able to have “Witnessing Parties” where we went from door to door to share the Gospel (NOT to proselytize people into our Protestant church).

And in the Catholic Church, the years that Saint Pope John Paul II was leading the Church were wonderful years–it was during that time the Chuck Colson, one of the most respected and admired Evangelical Protestant, teamed up with Father Neuhaus to develop Evangelicals and Catholics Together, and many MANY Protestants recognized during this pontificate that Catholics–gasp!–really ARE Christians, not pagans or goddess worshippers! It was during that pontificate that my husband and I converted to Catholicism–the outreach of Catholic Church in the U.S. was compelling and the various apologists and speakers were definitely making an impact in the Catholic and Protestant churches.

But it’s all gone now, all underground. We never see public demonstrations of Christianity anymore. The faith-based charities are still up and running and doing a great ministry, but the public is not connecting these organizations and church-based charities with “Christianity” and “Jesus Christ.” Many secular people don’t even realize that our local Rescue Mission is faith-based, and if/when they find out, they just say, “It’s great that they don’t push their religion on everyone.”

Sigh.
 
Is this the song by Cardinals B and didn’t she interview Joe Biden? Why would the democrats have Joe Biden sit down with someone who is known for singing songs that are sexually graphic as well as performing in videos that leave little to the imagination?
It almost seems like they are giving the okay for this type of music. I don’t care how many awards she has won, the lyrics to this song are just disgusting.
 
I’m sort of scratching my head at why the existence of one or even lots of gross songs makes people jump straight to I’m afraid to raise children in this world.
 
I think because it is showing that the world sometimes influences our children no matter how hard we try to prevent it from happening.

And because the song shows how vile some people have become that they think something like this is acceptable and to be “applauded.”
 
I’m honestly not sure why this song in particular seems to have really set people off. Yes, it’s super sexually explicit. Yes, it’s just a bad song. But there are tons of super x-rated songs out there. I’m not sure why this one in particular is turning hair gray.

Obviously, I’m not defending it. I’m just not sure why it’s uniquely horrible.
 
Some of us live sheltered musical lives. If there are others out there, I haven’t actually heard/read the lyrics, though I was aware it’s “out there.” Would not have read them if not for this thread.
 
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Maybe so. I have trouble figuring out how songs work their way into being of influence for young people anyway. They don’t listen to the radio. They can listen to or watch anything on demand, opening up much larger worlds of music to them. I guess their peers still have influence and real or fake outrage over a song stirs curiousity. To me, this seems like a generation the music industry struggles to figure out.
 
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RolandThompsonGunner said:
I’m honestly not sure why this song in particular seems to have really set people off. Yes, it’s super sexually explicit. Yes, it’s just a bad song. But there are tons of super x-rated songs out there. I’m not sure why this one in particular is turning hair gray.
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This is true. Didn’t really notice it.

I feel like it’s a combination of something that elicits more of a response from women being vulgar as opposed to men + and the fact that Cardi B is a meme-able person. People may not necessarily like her stuff, but they find her funny and hence they keep an eye out for her. Additionally, the other woman (Megan) was recently shot by a male rapper and it brought about a conversation on social media about how black women aren’t being taken care of in the black community. Kylie Jenner was also in the music video.

So with these factors combined, people probably paid attention to it more. I think the general population only started to take it seriously when people expressed outrage over it.
DisorientingSneeze said:
Maybe so. I have trouble figuring out how songs work their way into being of influence for young people anyway. They don’t listen to the radio. They can listen to or watch anything on demand
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Social media and streaming services basically. The latter serves as radio now as the algorithms pick up similar songs and artists you may be interested in.
 
RolandThompsonGunner said:
I’m honestly not sure why this song in particular seems to have really set people off. Yes, it’s super sexually explicit. Yes, it’s just a bad song. But there are tons of super x-rated songs out there. I’m not sure why this one in particular is turning hair gray.

Obviously, I’m not defending it. I’m just not sure why it’s uniquely horrible.
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I’m not sure either, but I had a visceral reaction reading the lyrics. I’m not shocked by a lot, but this shocked me. I can’t quite explain why.
 
DeniseNY said:
I’m not shocked by a lot, but this shocked me. I can’t quite explain why.
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If I’m being completely honest with myself, it’s because we rarely hear extremely explicit lyrics from women. I could think of a few songs that refer to male genitalia but not women’s BY women. I think that’s the main shock factor for me.
 
Lea101 said:
If I’m being completely honest with myself, it’s because we rarely hear extremely explicit lyrics from women.
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Bingo! As far as I recall, a song that is entirely explicitly sexual being done by a woman for women, is a first…at least as being a hit…there may have been underground songs like it but this one is by a top music artist.

Also, the more outraged their parents get, the more they like it. This is basically a hit song for teens. It’s for those that want to be edgy and adultish and gets their parents upset…you know, typical teenagers!
 
Madonna did it. Not only with the name of Our Lady but with a movie, and several songs.
 
Lea101 said:
If I’m being completely honest with myself, it’s because we rarely hear extremely explicit lyrics from women. I could think of a few songs that refer to male genitalia but not women’s BY women. I think that’s the main shock factor for me.
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Its a reaction to the double standard. For years, girls were expected to keep their sexuality under wraps, whereas boys were allowed to be as brazen as they wanted because everyone just chalked it up to “boys will be boys.”

The problem is that we corrected this double standard the wrong way. Instead of encouraging boys to be better, we’ve encouraged women to be worse.
 
I agree that she pushed the boundaries but she never sang a song with lyrics like these. If this is the new boundary, I’d hate to see what comes next! But, something or someone probably will. Art, including music has always been about testing and pushing boundaries. It’s not that all artists do it, it’s just that there are always some who do.
 
RolandThompsonGunner said:
The problem is that we corrected this double standard the wrong way. Instead of encouraging boys to be better, we’ve encouraged women to be worse.
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Amen. Society has collectively decided to just degrade itself instead of getting better.
 
Don’t you think that each era and society has done this? Everyone looks back and sees that things were better? Has any era in the last two hundred years claimed that we’re much better than our elders?
 
Pattylt said:
Don’t you think that each era and society has done this? Everyone looks back and sees that things were better? Has any era in the last two hundred years claimed that we’re much better than our elders?
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I just wish they would pick something different or incredibly niche to try to push the limit with. Like what if instead of anatomical moisture we were disgusted by and having this discussion about an outrageously descriptive song about gluttony or never cleaning your bathtub.
 
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