Why WAP Matters

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Yes, it’s gross! I think that’s the point! I’m just too old to think it’s something awesome. I don’t even think it’s edgy. It’s just lyrical porn.
 
Not too old, just too tasteful.

It isn’t even edgy humor. Edgy humor in music comes out of nowhere. Perfect example comes from “The New Style”: “If I played guitar I’d be Jimmy Paige, the girlies I like are underage (Shhh, check it!)” Absolutely hilarious every time I hear it. It’s a gut punch that you didn’t expect. WAP is just all edgy and taboo, and that’s when it just becomes gross.
 
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BabyWitch said:
Maybe it’s time women start embracing their sexual nature?
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Or maybe it’s time that men embrace some restraint too? I mean, no one is saying we have to completely suppress our sex drives. But our culture has gone nuts with sexualizing and objectifying everything.
 
Sexuality was once elevated to its proper place as a holy and beautiful act. The body was recognized as God’s own artwork, and great care was made to ensure it was represented faithfully. Now? All society cares about is the genitals and what they can get from others. Sex is something taken, not something given. No longer an expression of love and how it creates new life, it’s an expression of selfishness and the deep emptiness of modern society.
 
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BabyWitch said:
I don’t see how our culture objectifies anything anymore than past cultures. We’ve been obsessed with sex since we first gained the ability of complex thought. Our deities, culture, art, literature, etc. can somehow all find relation in sexuality.
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It’s true that there have always been crass depictions of sexuality. Sexual sins didn’t begin in the late 90s.

But our depictions of sex weren’t always as pervasive and crude. There might be dirty graffiti in Ancient Rome, but there wasn’t an endless universe of hardcore pornography available at everyone’s fingertips.
 
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I understand that, but those societies hit rock bottom as a result. Pagan Rome collapsed under the weight of its own culture falling apart. So did High Greece.
 
Every other song by these two artists has been full of sexually explicit lyrics, so I’m not sure how novel all of this is.
 
Then why did the declines only begin with the introduction and proliferation of sexuality immorality?
BabyWitch said:
People love to have sex and create art about sex. That’s just a fact.
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You’re kidding yourself if you think sexual art from the Renaissance is the same as hardcore rape porn from the modern day.
 
So. They are both vulgar and undignified. Nothing to be proud of. And despite what you think, their behavior is not helping women.
 
BabyWitch said:
Hardcore rape porn is the result of a toxically masculine society.
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So is WAP.

Don’t take that claim about sexual immorality causing collapse from me, take it from Oxford anthropologist J.D. Unwin, who said, in his book “Sex and Culture”: “In human records there is no instance of a society retaining its energy after a complete new generation has inherited a tradition which does not insist on pre-nuptial and post-nuptial continence.”
 
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Irishmom2 said:
And despite what you think, their behavior is not helping women.
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It’s really not. It’s just the same old message, but this time the messengers are women other than men. I think that makes it worse.
 
BabyWitch said:
If that were the case, men would be praising WAP as a masterful piece of art. WAP is not about the sexualization of women at all. I assume you’ve read the lyrics.
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No, they’d be upset that someone is trying to take their power of degrading women away from them. That’s what’s happening.

And it’s not about sexualizing women? If you claim that, I don’t honestly think a genuine conversation can be had! That’s gold-medal-level mental gymnastics.
 
BabyWitch said:
How is it not helping? No one is being hurt by Megan and Cardi being proud of sexual arousal.
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It’s difficult to quantify how this type of mass produced explicit expression hurts people. But it certainly is bothering people here. Are they not worthy of being heard?

If people aren’t sure whether it’s hurting anyone then an exercise we can do to help answer that question is to ask if this is helping anyone. That would also be difficult to quantify. But I can’t see how these songs are helping anyone. But I don’t think songs like that are amoral either. They are too flippant about something that is of the utmost importance to a flourishing human society.

For them to base their celebrity persona on sexual “shock value”, and to make money off of it while teenage girls listen to it just tells me all I need to know about whether it is right or wrong to put something like this out into society and market it to teenagers.
 
BabyWitch said:
How is it not helping? No one is being hurt by Megan and Cardi being proud of sexual arousal.
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Do you think it’s helpful when children (legally, those under 18) are exposed to explicit content? Is that okay with you?
How are the boundaries going to be pushed next month, or next year?
 
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RolandThompsonGunner:
I’m honestly not sure why this song in particular seems to have really set people off. Yes, it’s super sexually explicit. Yes, it’s just a bad song. But there are tons of super x-rated songs out there. I’m not sure why this one in particular is turning hair gray.
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This is true. Didn’t really notice it.

I feel like it’s a combination of something that elicits more of a response from women being vulgar as opposed to men + and the fact that Cardi B is a meme-able person. People may not necessarily like her stuff, but they find her funny and hence they keep an eye out for her. Additionally, the other woman (Megan) was recently shot by a male rapper and it brought about a conversation on social media about how black women aren’t being taken care of in the black community. Kylie Jenner was also in the music video.

So with these factors combined, people probably paid attention to it more. I think the general population only started to take it seriously when people expressed outrage over it.
DisorientingSneeze said:
Maybe so. I have trouble figuring out how songs work their way into being of influence for young people anyway. They don’t listen to the radio. They can listen to or watch anything on demand
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Social media and streaming services basically. The latter serves as radio now as the algorithms pick up similar songs and artists you may be interested in.
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Also, as someone mentioned, CardiB did some kind of interview with Joe Biden. So, are the Dems legitimizing this woman and her song lyrics?
Why are they promoting her? I basically think of her as a porn-pusher at this point.

Although honestly these lyrics are probably not much different from 50 Shades, etc. Urban Fiction.
Oh well - - as long as the kids are reading!
 
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