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WingedHussar
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Pattylt
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I love to sing and dance. I have absolutely zero talent but I discovered that your children think you have the voice of an angel when they’re little and I’d sing to them…nevermind they learn otherwise when they get older…
I’d play rock and roll, some country and classical to dance around the house. My children grew up hearing all types of music. None of us have musical talent ourselves but all of us learned to appreciate good music. My kids and grandkids dislike CardiB and don’t think she has a lick of talent even before this song came out. The older granddaughter probably listened to the song once just because of the publicity but I know it won’t be on any of her playlists…cause she has taste ! She shares her playlists with me because I like to discover new music…cardiB is on none of them!
I’d play rock and roll, some country and classical to dance around the house. My children grew up hearing all types of music. None of us have musical talent ourselves but all of us learned to appreciate good music. My kids and grandkids dislike CardiB and don’t think she has a lick of talent even before this song came out. The older granddaughter probably listened to the song once just because of the publicity but I know it won’t be on any of her playlists…cause she has taste ! She shares her playlists with me because I like to discover new music…cardiB is on none of them!
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CoffeeFanatic
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I have a feeling you’d like Victory Song by Ensiferum.
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WingedHussar
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That was an excellent suggestion. Thanks for introducing me to another interesting band.
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Lee3
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Girls/young women are this way often because their mums are this way too.
When mums think it’s empowering, what chance do kids have…
Girls/young women are this way often because their mums are this way too.
When mums think it’s empowering, what chance do kids have…
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Inquisitor85
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With respect rap and hip hop are most certainly not my styles, the level of skill in the lyric play, and then to be able to sing them in a quick rhythm and not drop the enunciation of syllables is difficult to say the least. This argument sounds like the argument between every generation with regards to art and culture.
I’m presuming you haven’t read the lyrics but throughout the song she displays complete agency. At no point is she anything other than a willing participant. There is a not insignificant difference between willingly participating in a sexual act, and an unwanted sexual assault. That you don’t recognise the difference says more about you than it does about the artist in question.
I’m not sure if this would be your thing but check out a band called Nightwish, they largely created a style called Symphonic Metal. They take classical style vocals and composition style, they then blend it with a metal style backing track and aesthetic. Their live performance of Ghost Love Score at Wacken 2013 is without doubt the best single performance I’ve ever had the pleasure to be at.
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pnewton
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Ad hominem much? Please do not try and read my mind and insult me for something that is false. Of course I know the difference. I also believe there is a link between sexual assault and viewing women as sex objects, even willing ones. That link is the sin of lust, which is never static, and grows when fed. And I do not buy the line that sexual assault is all about power. There is a reason it is sexual assault.
And if you consider her music “art”, that is an opinion, one I do not share. Good product does not need sex to sell.
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Pattylt
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Thanks for the recommend! I liked it! Do they have any male vocalists as well? Just curious as I love the blend of male and female voices in powerful songs. I also love the blends of classical and rock…I remember the first time I saw The Moody Blues! 
Also, is that some type of modified pipe organ?
Ps…added them to my playlist!
Also, is that some type of modified pipe organ?
Ps…added them to my playlist!
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Pattylt
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I know, right! 
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DeniseNY
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It’s just so ridiculously and embarrassingly bad.
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Lea101
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Same goes for conservative/puritan-type of parents. The amount of friends I have (with religious parents) who found modesty/chastity to be repressive and found that being sexy was liberating…is depressing.
I call it art (since music falls under that category). But bad, terrible art. It’s easier to just take things literally at this point…no more “real men wouldn’t do that” or “she’s not a Catholic if she says this”. Just say bad men, bad Catholics, bad art. It takes the power away from the words. So what if it’s art? We don’t have to respect it.
Cardi has some talent in general, but it’s just a bad song with a bad message. Not the first song and not the last. The only thing I can say in her defense is that there’s definitely a double standard when we’re talking about men/women and them being sexually explicit. But that doesn’t mean the song is empowering imo.
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Jimbo
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I’m baffled by the ideas of ‘empowerment’ being spread.
My Mom and my aunt’s grew up in the 50’s. My Mom got her PhD and wrote several books. She had to fight her way into a male oriented medical community. My Aunt started several businesses and was the first woman on the chamber of commerce in her area.
Both were very explicit about fighting hard for men to view them as mental equals; and not pretty pleasure dolls. That they had value, worth, and skills that went far beyond their bodies, even when their bodies started to age.
Both were very successful.
Both would HATE this. View it as a betrayal of everything they worked for.
How have we come so far from what it is to be truly empowered.
My Mom and my aunt’s grew up in the 50’s. My Mom got her PhD and wrote several books. She had to fight her way into a male oriented medical community. My Aunt started several businesses and was the first woman on the chamber of commerce in her area.
Both were very explicit about fighting hard for men to view them as mental equals; and not pretty pleasure dolls. That they had value, worth, and skills that went far beyond their bodies, even when their bodies started to age.
Both were very successful.
Both would HATE this. View it as a betrayal of everything they worked for.
How have we come so far from what it is to be truly empowered.
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Jimbo
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I read the lyrics to the song. Her virus protection and firewall were nearly nonexistent.
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Inquisitor85
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This is a cover that has been somewhat “metalised”, it’s from the original vocalist Tarja’s final performance with Nightwish. In fandom terms, Tarja is the Queen, Floor the current vocalist (see above) is the Valkyrie and we don’t talk about Anette. Anyway enjoy.
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Pattylt
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Thank you…very much enjoyed! I downloaded the essentials for the group…that’s usually a collection of their best and most impactful numbers and will listen later to all of it. I love discovering bands I haven’t experienced before! For the young crowd, I have my 16 yo granddaughter…and she has good taste…but this isn’t something she would have ever suggested!
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Jimbo
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I think that many progressives say we are. Look at the praise of female empowerment linked to this song.
The thing is, we have objective morality. Human beings have inherent dignity that requires a certain, correct response.
This response in some ways have led us away from bad things. Slavery, was eliminated. Segregation eliminated. Women’s rights, capabilities, and responsibilities in the workplace has been recognized and improved (though it’s not perfect).
However, with a more progressive society that (at least with the self labeled progressives I run into) embraces moral relativism we have lost sight of that correct response to human dignity. Instead of saying "Men and Women are good and shouldn’t be used’ we’ve changed to a ‘consent only’ society. It’s okay to use someone if they say it is. That of course has become untenable as we define consent in a more and more narrow fashion (have a boy and a girl get drunk on campus and have sex, the girl can say she never gave consent. The boy isn’t in a position to say the same).
It’s a philosophical mess.
Cardi 's song is just an example.
The thing is, we have objective morality. Human beings have inherent dignity that requires a certain, correct response.
This response in some ways have led us away from bad things. Slavery, was eliminated. Segregation eliminated. Women’s rights, capabilities, and responsibilities in the workplace has been recognized and improved (though it’s not perfect).
However, with a more progressive society that (at least with the self labeled progressives I run into) embraces moral relativism we have lost sight of that correct response to human dignity. Instead of saying "Men and Women are good and shouldn’t be used’ we’ve changed to a ‘consent only’ society. It’s okay to use someone if they say it is. That of course has become untenable as we define consent in a more and more narrow fashion (have a boy and a girl get drunk on campus and have sex, the girl can say she never gave consent. The boy isn’t in a position to say the same).
It’s a philosophical mess.
Cardi 's song is just an example.
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apndh
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If someone tries to raise their child right in today’s day and age, that child would be bullied. Homeschooling is the way to go
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Lee3
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It’s funny, living in Australia you never heard about concepts like modesty or chastity anymore and religion altogether is not discussed and considered bigoted or a social taboo etc.
Is it still taught in other countries?
Sadly, the double standards are real and I guess that’s what partly drives the popularity.
Why did sexy have to become outright vulgarity though?
It’s like these always some game to turn it up a notch in vulgarness year after year.
Sexy can be about sensuality and dancing like Latin dancing, or singers/actresses like late Whitney Houston or like Monica Belluci etc. Sexy doesn’t have to mean like thrusting your bum up in the air or spreading legs etc.
There used to be a difference between sexy vs stuff belonging at a strip club but it seems not anymore…
Is it still taught in other countries?
Sadly, the double standards are real and I guess that’s what partly drives the popularity.
Why did sexy have to become outright vulgarity though?
It’s like these always some game to turn it up a notch in vulgarness year after year.
Sexy can be about sensuality and dancing like Latin dancing, or singers/actresses like late Whitney Houston or like Monica Belluci etc. Sexy doesn’t have to mean like thrusting your bum up in the air or spreading legs etc.
There used to be a difference between sexy vs stuff belonging at a strip club but it seems not anymore…
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Lee3
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Funny.
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Lea101
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Hard to say. In Asia, these values are still there…somewhat but it depends on the family. Many of my friends grew up with very puritan parents, Catholic, Muslims and even atheist parents who were really strict with them. They now live in tops that constantly show cleavage (lol).
From a Catholic POV, does it matter? Anyone who tries to be sexy for anyone but their spouse would be committing a sin already, no matter how that looks like. No point in preferring one over the other. I get your point though. I guess it’s sexy to some people, so that’s why people still do things like this. Sometimes it’s done to make a point or for shock, too.
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