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exnihilo
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Ah, you’ve learned nothing. Sad.
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Usagi
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Oh for Pete’s sake, do you even read what I write?
No lynching is “no big deal.” Every one is an injustice and deserves to be remembered as a mark of shame against the perpetrators (and possibly the whole community, in cases like Heath’s where there was mass participation and no effort to punish the killers).
The phenomenon of lynching against African-Americans, however, was a distinct phenomenon, both fueled by and contributing to the atmosphere of white supremacy that existed at the time (and, we are beginning to see, has not entirely gone away as much as we thought and hoped).
Yes, some (perhaps many) black lynching victims were accused of actual, legitimate crimes. Some may well even have been guilty. But even in those circumstances, an atmosphere of racial hatred surrounded the killings that would not have been present in a case like Heath’s (though something like it might have appeared in cases with victims of other minority ethnicities, who I agree were victims of racism).
Here is an actual history of the development of lynching, and how in some places it turned from simple vigilante justice (which, let me say again because you keep missing it, was still wrong) to a means of race-based terrorism:
No lynching is “no big deal.” Every one is an injustice and deserves to be remembered as a mark of shame against the perpetrators (and possibly the whole community, in cases like Heath’s where there was mass participation and no effort to punish the killers).
The phenomenon of lynching against African-Americans, however, was a distinct phenomenon, both fueled by and contributing to the atmosphere of white supremacy that existed at the time (and, we are beginning to see, has not entirely gone away as much as we thought and hoped).
Yes, some (perhaps many) black lynching victims were accused of actual, legitimate crimes. Some may well even have been guilty. But even in those circumstances, an atmosphere of racial hatred surrounded the killings that would not have been present in a case like Heath’s (though something like it might have appeared in cases with victims of other minority ethnicities, who I agree were victims of racism).
Here is an actual history of the development of lynching, and how in some places it turned from simple vigilante justice (which, let me say again because you keep missing it, was still wrong) to a means of race-based terrorism:
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exnihilo
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Exactly. Which is why it isn’t right to ignore the Whites at a memorial to lynching deaths.
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Usagi
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Did you read the rest of what I typed, or the link I provided?
Race-based lynching was a different phenomenon from non-race-based lynching. It is a disservice to confuse the two, and so they deserve to be memorialized separately.
(I, personally, would include lynching victims of minority “white” ethnicities as victims of race-based lynching, as well as those, mentioned earlier, who were killed for opposing lynching or defending other lynching victims. But as the phenomenon of lynching has affected African-Americans more deeply than anyone else — the simple display of a noose is not immediately understood as a racist threat against any other group, even if they had ancestors who were lynched — I can also understand not wanting to give the assholes any room for “See! It happened to white people too, so it was all the same!”)
Race-based lynching was a different phenomenon from non-race-based lynching. It is a disservice to confuse the two, and so they deserve to be memorialized separately.
(I, personally, would include lynching victims of minority “white” ethnicities as victims of race-based lynching, as well as those, mentioned earlier, who were killed for opposing lynching or defending other lynching victims. But as the phenomenon of lynching has affected African-Americans more deeply than anyone else — the simple display of a noose is not immediately understood as a racist threat against any other group, even if they had ancestors who were lynched — I can also understand not wanting to give the assholes any room for “See! It happened to white people too, so it was all the same!”)
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exnihilo
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Separate but equal? Or not even equal?
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anikins
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The people in the other thread who don’t believe in white privilege should look here for examples. White people complaining that white people are not included in a lynching memorial. Just amazing.
I hope that one day they are enlightened enough to look back on these comments and be embarrassed by them. I’m most definitely embarrassed for them.
I hope that one day they are enlightened enough to look back on these comments and be embarrassed by them. I’m most definitely embarrassed for them.
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exnihilo
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How do you know who is White? You must have powers I don’t have. One of them includes gross generalizations.
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anikins
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It’s obvious from the white privilege and racism.
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TheAmazingGrace
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And that is an objectively racist statement.
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JanSobieskiIII
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Theo520
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The obvious answer seem for the memorial not to exclude white victims from their lists.
Including them would only add depth and not detract from the purpose of the memorial.
Including them would only add depth and not detract from the purpose of the memorial.
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TheAmazingGrace
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Funny, a lot of Englishmen and WASPs used to say similar stuff about my people not too far back. I guess they were right, and we Irish are just “objectively” inferior.
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JanSobieskiIII
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Well we all know why God made whiskey, it was the only way to keep the Irish from taking over the world.
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TheAmazingGrace
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Or to help us forget that we were neighbors to (and later subjects of) the greatest subjugating force the world has ever known.
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TheAmazingGrace
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Oh yeah, those Brits really did a great job spreading the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church to all corners of the globe.
Oh wait…
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JanSobieskiIII
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Hence why I said Christianity instead of Catholicism.
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JanSobieskiIII
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Yes but they were still supplanted by a stronger and more dominant culture (for a time anyway).
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TheAmazingGrace
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Well, here’s to the great boon of Protestant evangelism. Any brand of Christianity will do as long as it’s spread by white people, amiright?
Slainte!
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JanSobieskiIII
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You could go pro at indignation 
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7_Sorrows
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i agree, slavery and the treatments of African Americans for the next 100 years after the end of the Civil War was a blot on our nation history.
i was born in 1952. if they want to have a memorial to lynching, okay. i certainly don’t plan on going there. i can watch documentaries and read history books about our nation’s history.
however, i think it is more important to look at where we are now. i don’t know why we need to keep dwelling on slavery and what happened in our nation’s past. for those that want to demonize our country and how bad we are, it serves a purpose.
just like the need to demonize Confederate statues.
the past happened. we weren’t there. we live in 2018. why not look to the future and stop dwelling on the past. we can’t change the past. move on. being educated about our nation’s history is one thing, but dwelling and obssessing about it, doesn’t seem to help anything.
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