Why We Need the New Lynching Memorial

[TheAmazingGrace]

Your constant deflection on basic facts is tiring, why can’t you accept that a lynching memorial specific to racism should include all related lynchings.

Why can’t you accept that it’s not racist?

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

If you want one just for blacks, that OK, just stop denying that it is racist.

I mean, that’s what I’ve been doing this whole thread.

 

[Theo520]

It’s named the lynching memorial, not the “black only victims of lynching” memorial

 

[Jump4Joy]

You don’t believe in claims of racism. Yet thoroughout this thread you continue to try to prove how white people are being discriminated against. You have freely used the word racist but the moment someone uses the word against you it becomes childish.

 

[Jump4Joy]

Exnihilo has some fair points that white people’s lynchings should be honored too. He comes across to determined to discredit any discrimination against people of color and adamant to prove how white people are so discriminated against. He has written off as black discrimination as personal anecdotes or a matter of perception but apparently white discrimination isn’t.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I know many westerns I watch (although they probably are not historically accurate)
Lynching of bad guys - mostly white - was common in the 1800’s. Horse thieves, cattle thieves and those guilty of other crimes were often lynched without benefit of a trial. people took justice in their own hands. I am sure some were not lynched for the color of their skin, but perhaps socio-economic reasons could be a factor.

 

[Theo520]

Exnihilo has some fair points that white people’s lynchings should be honored too. He comes across to determined to discredit any discrimination against people of color and adamant to prove how white people are so discriminated against. He has written off as black discrimination as personal anecdotes or a matter of perception but apparently white discrimination isn’t.

If not done right, this could lead to increased racial tension rather than serve as a reminder and tool for healing. I think even including a few token white lynchings is important in changing the tone. It would better express the racial battle that occurred in the south (mostly). Not a random white lynching but one directly related to the racial oppression of blacks and the push for civil rights. .

 

[exnihilo]

You don’t believe in claims of racism. Yet thoroughout this thread you continue to try to prove how white people are being discriminated against.

I don’t believe in all claims of racism or that racism is as widespread today, or in the past, as claimed.

My point about racism against Whites is that it is institutionalized. Segregation was racism against Blacks that was obviously real and institutionalized. Affirmative action is also institutionalized racism. Whatever the past racism was racism against Whites gets a pass today.

He has written off as black discrimination as personal anecdotes or a matter of perception but apparently white discrimination isn’t.

That is a complete misrepresentation of what I’ve said. I do indeed believe Blacks claims racism far more often than actually occurs. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe it never happens.

 

[Jump4Joy]

Am I really misrepresenting what you have stated? You have freely used the word racist towards most people’s responses but it becomes offensive once the term is applied to you. If you think institutionalism racism exists against, why don’t you think systematic racism against blacks exist? Why doesn’t white privilege exist?

 

[exnihilo]

Absolutely you are. I have said if you support policies where a White is denied a job simply because he is White then yes you are a racist. I mean if a Black was denied a job simply for being Black that would be racist, right?

If you think institutionalism racism exists against, why don’t you think systematic racism against blacks exist?

Instructional racism against Whites demonstrably exists. There is no doubt racism against Balcks. There is also general racism against Whites.

Why doesn’t white privilege exist?

Because Blacks get all the institutional privilege in our time.

 

[RyanBlack]

Because Blacks get all the institutional privilege in our time.

This is one of the most obviously absurd things I’ve ever read.

 

[RyanBlack]

I do indeed believe Blacks claims racism far more often than actually occurs.

How is this statement not racist? Are Blacks less honest than others whose claims of racism you are willing to believe?

 

[Theo520]

How is this statement not racist? Are Blacks less honest than others whose claims of racism you are willing to believe?

Do you deny there are false claims of racism

Take that recent starbucks incident. If I had declined to purchase, and declined to leave, all while insulting the cops and manager, I would fully expect to be arrested for trespassing. Nothing racist about that incident.

 

[exnihilo]

This is one of the most obviously absurd things I’ve ever read.

Absurd but true. Any discrimination against Blacks is illegal and outside of the system. Affirmative action is legal and inside the system.

How is this statement not racist? Are Blacks less honest than others whose claims of racism you are willing to believe?

I didn’t say it was because they were Black. I said I think a lot of claims are made up. I know many claims are made up because sufficient evidence proves this. Other groups don’t generally make claims of racism so there aren’t many other accounts to judge.

Also, only Blacks benefit from claims of racism. As demonstrated by repeated comments on this board any claims of racism against Whites are met with ‘get over it’. People on this board are unwilling to believe racism against Whites could even occur, or if it does they say they don’t care.

 

[exnihilo]

Here is another recent one. I read ‘The Boy Who Cried Wolf’ when I was a kid. Maybe others should.

Police release cam of them joking with Bob Marley's granddaughter | Daily Mail Online

 

[Theo520]

Random people staying at your house could confuse neighbors, if they weren’t warned.

 

[RyanBlack]

Do you deny there are false claims of racism

No, I do not. However, I am unprepared to dismiss most claims as being false.

 

[Theo520]

No, I do not. However, I am unprepared to dismiss most claims as being false.

Each claim should be judged on it’s merits.
But statistically it’s clear to me a number of claims don’t stand up to scrutiny.
I think it’s a learned behavior

 

[RyanBlack]

Each claim should be judged on it’s merits.
But statistically it’s clear to me a number of claims don’t stand up to scrutiny.
I think it’s a learned behavior

Yes. On there other hand, there are true victims who never speak up, so I don’t think false claims should be used to minimize the racism Black Americans still face.

 

[Usagi]

Because Blacks get all the institutional privilege in our time.

That claim is going to require evidence.

Anti-discrimination law forbids discrimination on the basis of race, period. It is just as illegal to deny a white person a job for being white as it is to deny a black person a job for being black.