Why We Need the New Lynching Memorial

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meltzerboy2 said:
This whole discussion reminds me of revisionist history regarding the Holocaust. I
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My one complaint about holocaust memorials is that most efforts do exclusively focus on the death of jews, and exclude the other victims.
 
exnihilo said:
I don’t really appreciate being called a troll. If you want to challenge my ideas then challenge them. Don’t call me names.
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I simply can’t believe that someone on this particular forum would hold the opinions that you’re promoting in this thread, quite honestly. When I suggested that this had to be an exercise in trolling, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
 
exnihilo said:
I don’t really appreciate being called a troll. If you want to challenge my ideas then challenge them. Don’t call me names.
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Brah, you’ve been calling everyone you don’t agree with “racist” since this thread started. Grow up.
 
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exnihilo:
So racial discrimination is OK with you if the group is doing ‘well’? The irony is you’ve divided people by race to come up with your rule. You treat all White people alike. That is of course racist. I mean the guy not getting a job isn’t think, well that is OK, I’m White. No, he is wondering how he is going to pay the bills.
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I am entirely unconvinced by all this whining about alleged widespread discrimination against whites. It seems to me to be overwhelmingly about resentment over loss of privileged status, rather than actual discrimination. I am 47 years old, white, and male. I have never once had a reason to suspect that I was the victim of discrimination in employment or acceptance to college or graduate school.
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just wait. it is coming. so you are saying you feel guilty of white privilege?
 
gracepoole said:
What memorials are you referring to?
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Good question, I’m speaking more in general in how the Holocaust is presented. It’s my perception of articles on the topic. I don’t want to take away from the harm done to jewish people but I think it adds to the depth of the crime by including how other groups were also targeted.

With the OP memorial, I don’t think it would diminish it’s impact if some of the non-black lynchings were also memorialized. Such a move would address many of the concerns expressed in this thread.
 
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Theo520 said:
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gracepoole:
What memorials are you referring to?
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Good question, I’m speaking more in general in how the Holocaust is presented. It’s my perception of articles on the topic. I don’t want to take away from the harm done to jewish people but I think it adds to the depth of the crime by including how other groups were also targeted. With the OP memorial, I don’t think it would diminish it’s impact if some of the non-black lynchings were also memorialized.
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In the Holocaust, though, there was an explicit death order given for all the Jews of Europe. This is one important reason why they’re typically referred to differently in terms of victim groups.

Holocaust denial, which @meltzerboy2 referred to, is likely a different topic.
 
Recognizing that homosexuals, gypsies, dissidents, etc were also sent to the same camps doesn’t take away from Jews and is a more comprehensive portrayal of what the Nazi party was actually doing.
 
Theo520 said:
Recognizing that homosexuals, gypsies, dissidents, etc were also sent to the same camps doesn’t take away from Jews and is a more comprehensive portrayal of what the Nazi party was actually doing.
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Are the ones that don’t automatically racist/homophobic?
 
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7_Sorrows said:
just wait. it is coming. so you are saying you feel guilty of white privilege?
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I’m not worried, I don’t feel persecuted, I see no reason to fear that I will be persecuted on the basis of being white, and I’m not worried about that even if I live long enough to see the day when whites are no longer the majority in the USA. As for white privilege, to me, it’s not a matter of feeling guilty, it’s just part of the reality of being part of the group that has always held the political, economic, and social power, as well as being the majority. Those who have reason to feel guilty about white privilege are those abuse it to the detriment of others.
 
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To clarify what I meant, I suspect that dividing people by clans, tribes, and ethnicity is as old as humanity itself, and is more or less universal. On the other hand, dividing people by what are essentially socially constructed categories of race–as race is understood in the modern context–is largely a product of Western thinking of the last few centuries.
 
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I personally don’t “feel guilty of white privilege”… I am guilty of participating in and benefiting from a system of white supremacy that is built on the pain of persons of color. I may work every day to deconstruct that system, but this doesn’t alleviate my guilt.

I can’t recommend the following book enough if you find yourself confused about what I am saying or automatically responding that I must be wrong/brainwashed/PC/virtue signaling/a SJW/etc.

Yancy, George. Backlash: What Happens When We Talk Honestly about Racism in America. Rowman & Littlefield Publisher, 2018.
 
Theo520 said:
I’d say they are misrepresenting history
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Do memorials dedicated to fallen Marines “misrepresent history” by leaving out the rest of the armed forces? Do memorials dedicated to the Irish victims of the potato famine “misrepresent history” by ignoring everyone else who ever starved? Do memorials dedicated to specific groups of martyrs “misrepresent history” by not mentioning every person who ever died for the Catholic faith?
 
This is a perfect recent example of a hoax. It is a false report of ‘racism’. There are far more examples of this. There are so many that it makes other claims far less credible.

What is interesting about this one is the woman claims her hysterical lie is due in part to the history of lyching which she no doubt is as equally uninformed about as many posters here. Because lynching happened a hundred years ago she thinks her being pulled over for speeding is an attempt to lynch her.

The preponderance of cases like this is why I generally don’t believe claims of racism. I’m not saying real cases don’t happen. I am saying I believe most people who make this claim are lying.

 
I’m keen when they write racism onto this thread for anyone to see. When undeniable proof is furnished it is easy to make a proper judgment.
 
Theo520 said:
How would you describe a US war memorial that excluded japanese american soldiers who also fought in the battle?

It would look pretty racist to me.
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It would be racist because they died for the same reason as the white soldiers: that is, service to their country. The point of the lynching memorial is not to commemorate everyone who ever fell victim to an angry mob, but specifically those whose murders were racially motivated (which was not the case for most white victims of lynching).
 
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