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JMMJ
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I suggest you read up on what the Church says about voting.
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ontheway1
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When you stand before God, he will not ask you about your voting record.
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JMMJ
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Exactly. That is the point.
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ontheway1
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He will ask you if you supported the “cutlure of death”.
Tis_Bearself
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Because the Church isn’t going to tell people how to vote, especially in USA where doing so could cause a giant legal problem for a Church that’s already busy fighting all the sex abuse lawsuits in court already.
Also because neither side’s platform agrees with all the important teachings of the Church.
Also because neither side’s platform agrees with all the important teachings of the Church.
Tis_Bearself
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And voting for the Repubs could easily be seen as doing that if you’re worried about immigrants’ lives.
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ontheway1
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I really expected a more thoughtful, faithful answer. Instead you are offering a talking point.
OH. BTW and FYI. I am an immigrant.
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Tis_Bearself
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I’m sorry if you don’t like my contribution to the thread.
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upant
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did I mention their platform? everything isn’t in their platform.
which ones don’t you think the democratic party supports
all of the candidates supporting the current welfare program, where it penalizes the family, the support of SSM, and abortion are pushing an anti-family agenda. Please explain how these policies support families in the Catholic sense?
a catholic democrat politician in Utah is pushing a bill to break the seal of the confessional.
you can’t ignore the state democratic policy pushes by claiming it isn’t in the platform. you have to remember they tried to expel God from the platform and were trounced on by the GOP so they removed the offensive language.
from 2014
it isn’t in the platform, it is in the grassroots, however, just a short time ago most wouldn’t have believed SSM would be legal.
it can be,
Tis_Bearself
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No Catholic here is “Deliberately Voting for a Candidate Precisely Because of the Candidate’s Permissive Stand on Abortion and/or Euthanasia”.
It’s more of a "Hold your nose and vote. "
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on_the_hill
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I’d like to think it’s because the USCCB honors the free will we were granted by God.JanetF:
The tax exemption is the main problem. Which is a terrible shame that the Church won’t preach from the pulpit due to money
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upant
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maybe, but the issue is can it be a sin and it can be.
too many people want to say it can’t be, it just depends.
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Joe_5859
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It’s a mistake to presume that bishops and priests are failing to preach some part of the deposit of faith because they are worried that the IRS is going to make them pay taxes. That is fictitious narrative created by the media.
The bishops don’t tell us who to vote for because that is outside of their purview and it wouldn’t end well. It’s not because they are afraid they’d have to pay taxes.
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1ke
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Actually, it’s not “the main problem”.
The Church is free to teach its moral doctrines without concern about that.
What the Church in the US cannot do is endorse candidates, participate in campaigning for/against a candidate, or contribute money to campaigns.
Moreover the Church is universal, and the Magisterium does not have such a teaching either, which would be beyond the reach of the US IRS.
Tis_Bearself
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Actually, if they told us specifically “who to vote for” then it could very well be seen as endorsing a candidate and would run afoul of the tax laws.
It’s okay if the priest or bishop gets up and gives a homily on how important it is to consider abortion (or immigration, or the environment etc) when you choose a candidate to vote for.
It’s not okay if the priest or bishop gets up and says “It’s wrong to vote for a Pro-Choice Candidate” especially if there’s a good suggestion of which candidate he is talking about, because you’re getting into individual candidates.
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on_the_hill
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They preach truth every Mass.
Truth and political positions aren’t synonymous.
Truth and political positions aren’t synonymous.
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RuthAnne
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It’s not normally between one or the other. There are often several candidates to choose from.
Tis_Bearself
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That’s your opinion. Courts’ opinion might be different.
Anyway, priests and bishops have other ways to make clear their feelings. I was at a Mass recently where the priest spent the first five minutes of the homily extolling how wonderful our President was and how God was truly guiding him. No mention of how we should vote for him, so it didn’t quite cross the line, but I got the message. By the same token, when a deacon gets up and rants for 20 minutes about how it’s un-Christian to be unwelcoming to immigrants, I hear him loud and clear too.
Anyway, priests and bishops have other ways to make clear their feelings. I was at a Mass recently where the priest spent the first five minutes of the homily extolling how wonderful our President was and how God was truly guiding him. No mention of how we should vote for him, so it didn’t quite cross the line, but I got the message. By the same token, when a deacon gets up and rants for 20 minutes about how it’s un-Christian to be unwelcoming to immigrants, I hear him loud and clear too.
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on_the_hill
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Until a priest or bishop takes a position that strays from the what people think of as truths, and nonetheless claims that it is truth.
There was a well-known labor-activist priest in Pittsburgh many years ago. The ‘truths’ he preached rankled a lot of people then, and I’m sure the controversy would be just as bad, if not worse, now.
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JulianN
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