Why won’t USCCB state it’s a sin to vote for ProChoice candidate?

[Metis1]

To answer the OP question is very simple, namely that the Church has repeatedly taught that we are not to be single-issue voters.

 

[Joe_5859]

Haven’t been on the forums for a while. Glad I can use this so soon after getting back:

Welcome back.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Did you forget the LGBT accommodations Beto and Castro were pushing for the churches?

As far as I know, neither of these people are in the Primaries. They were eliminated because the majority of Democrat voters did not support their policies.

“Gruber” Americans

?? I’ve never heard of this party or politician.

continue to cause the destruction of the family

I like concrete terms. Going to assume you mean divorce. No fault divorce has had a tragic effect in the US. I’ve not seen either party running on a “we are going to end no-fault divorce” platform.

welfare family penalty

Once again, vague term. Are you speaking of TANF? TANF is temporary.

There are many urban legends about programs where assistance is lost because of marriage, however, the most common one I see referenced is SSDI/SSI. When one looks at the actual regulations, it is not as cut and dried as the rumor mill has it.

Which specific Federal programs are you referencing?

SSM

As someone mentioned above, our President has not spoken against Gay Marriage.

transgenderism

Again, please show me which party has a policy against the transgendered?

 

[JoeShlabotnik]

The USCCB is there to bring comfort to Catholics, not to spark political debates.

 

[vz71]

Why won’t USCCB state it’s a sin to vote for ProChoice candidate?

Because there are specific circumstances in which it is not.

 

[upant]

The city made it clear they were not going to enforce it.

the law as written could have been enforced.

even the judge who let the case proceed in 2016 said the exemption was unclear and has evolved.

(bold mine)

City officials have argued the lawsuit is unnecessary because the chapel is registered as a religious organization, making it exempt from the city’s anti-discrimination ordinance. The judge noted, however, that the exemption has not always been clear and has evolved over time.

“Nothing in the record indicates that (the city) ever made this position clearly known to anyone,” he wrote.

This isn’t a church being persecuted—it’s a for-profit business that made it clear it would perform any kind of religious or non-religious ceremony you wanted.

what is a church? these were ordained ministers. they changed their charter to a religious organization shortly before the law (they saw the writing on the wall). the city just backed off due to the backlash

we need to remember that state and federal laws generally exempt religious institutions from having to perform gay marriages. the key is they exempt, yet are exemptions guaranteed?

in the end, the city paid $1000.00 but the law is still on the books and the exemption can be removed in the future.

“They really wanted us to change the ordinance, and we said no, we’re not changing the ordinance,” Gridley said.

 

[TheLittleLady]

USCCB is there to shepherd and guide Catholics, not only for comfort.

 

[MariaChristi]

Dear fide,

Thanks for your reply to jofa. I agree with you that the “Right to Life” is so important for this country and for the whole world! The stark alternative some are choosing is an affront to the Creator of Life, God Almighty. “Abortion on demand” repeats, Lucifer’s words: “I will not serve.”

We cannot serve two masters - either we choose Life with God or death with those who disobey His Commandments to Love Him and to love one another as He has loved us.

Only God can, and He will judge, the heart of any person, but let us pray earnestly to hear and do the Truth we hear in Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium. I haven’t read this entire thread but in reading your reply to jofa, I must say I too am saddened by the culture of death we are presently experiencing more and more in our country and in the whole world.

Mary, Mother of God, Patronness of the unborn pray for us.

 

[JoeShlabotnik]

Many of the founding fathers of the United States were slave owners, including George Washington. Should Americans have not voted for them?

 

[upant]

As far as I know, neither of these people are in the Primaries. They were eliminated because the majority of Democrat voters did not support their policies.

if the majority of voters rejected his policies, they wouldn’t vote democrat. there isn’t much of a difference between Beto’s policy and the DNC platform.

If there is please point it out.

?? I’ve never heard of this party or politician.

“Gruber” one of the architects of ObamaCare:

Jonathan Gruber said Obamacare only passed due to the “stupidity” of the American voter and a lack of “transparency.

I like concrete terms. Going to assume you mean divorce. No fault divorce has had a tragic effect in the US. I’ve not seen either party running on a “we are going to end no-fault divorce” platform.

yet, I just showed you the lack of transparency of the left. they aren’t going to make it concrete because they play to Gruber’s voters.

Which specific Federal programs are you referencing?

Overall, the federal government operates over 80 means-tested welfare programs that provide cash, food, housing, medical care, and social services to poor and low-income individuals. Each program contains marriage penalties similar to those described above. Low-income families generally receive benefits from several programs at the same time. The marriage penalties from multiple programs when added together can provide substantial financial disincentives to marriage. For example, if a single mother who earns $20,000 per year marries a man who earns the same amount, the couple will typically lose about $12,000 a year in welfare benefits. In effect, the welfare system makes it economically irrational for most low-income couples to marry. (heritage.org)

As someone mentioned above, our President has not spoken against Gay Marriage.

he isn’t a Catholic, but stands up for religious freedom. why do you think the LGBT are mostly anti-trump?

 

[TheLittleLady]

Okay, all over the place here.

You showed quotes from potential candidates who did not have enough support to win their way into even the primaries, so, that tells you the majority of Democrat voters disagree with these two politicians’ policies.

If there is please point it out.

Um, you are the one who claimed Mr(?) Beto’s policy was:

LGBT accommodations Beto and Castro were pushing for the churches?

Cannot see how the onus is on me to show where these misty “accomodations” are in the DNC platform, and if it were, you’d need to supply something more concrete.

I know that “moving the goal posts” is a popular internets debate trick, however, can we please stick to the discussion points?

yet, I just showed you the lack of transparency of the left. they aren’t going to make it concrete because they play to Gruber’s voters.

Again, this seems to be from a book or an article, can you please link an article from a non-blog source?

Overall, the federal government operates over 80 means-tested welfare programs

This is from an article on Heritage dot org website. Heritage is a Republican think tank.

Once again, I ask you, which specific Federal programs would you like to discuss. (FYI, there is no Federal Program named “welfare”.) OP EDs from a partisan think tank, I know that is another favorite internet debate tactic.

he isn’t a Catholic, but stands up for religious freedom.

Religious Freedom, as defined by the Constitution, allows for the faiths who so wish to perform same sex marriages.

As for Mr Trump’s support for same sex marriage, that has nothing to do with Catholicism. You implied that support for same sex marriage was a “democrat” thing.

why do you think the LGBT are mostly anti-trump?

??? Last I checked, there is no monolithic org known as “The LGBT”. If there is, kindly link me to their website.

I have never noticed that one’s sexuality or gender ID has much to do with one’s support of Mr. Trump. Do your LGBT friends and family members give you a different POV?

 

[patricius79]

I don’t think they can say that it’s a sin to vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

But I hope they are being clear that a matter of the intentional killing of innocent human persons outweighs other issues.

 

[JimG]

Archbishop Naumann, leader of the USCCB pro-life committee, recently corrected a Kansas State legislator’s comments on the issue of abortion. HERE.

 

[LilyM]

A question: From 2016 to 2018, the Republicans controlled the presidency, Senate, and House of Representatives. What anti-abortion measures did they pass?

I don’t remember any, but it’s possible I’m wrong. I don’t think they ever cut off federal funding for Planned Parenthood despite so much rhetoric being waged about that.

For that matter what tax relief or other assistance did they funnel towards struggling families or single parents? What support for crisis pregnancy services or the like (so women feel less pressured into having abortions in the first place)?

It’s all very well to make abortion illegal, but the flip side is supporting women (or families) who find themselves pregnant and struggling.

 

[neophyte]

It’s not normally between one or the other. There are often several candidates to choose from.

Maybe, but that doesn’t negate the principle that you can’t declare something to always be a sin if it’s possible for it to not be.

 

[po18guy]

Let’s see…

What can I post without getting flagged?

I have a strong opinion of the USCCB.

Not all Democrats are pro-abortion.

Not all Republicans are pro-life.

I have had enough flags thrown on my plays this week (weak?)

 

[EndTimes]

USCCB voting guides are so vague they are neither Catholic nor guide!
I am scandalized by the USCCB’s decisions half the time.
It’s analogous to the RNC before Trump came along: wishy-washy, vague, trying to please everyone and therefore pleasing no one.
It seems like they don’t really do anything for the Church in America.
Someone please tell me what I’m mistaken or blind about…
God bless

For years - Some Catholics have noted their lack of clearcut Teachings on Abortion - whenever a major American Election was coming on - which naturally was “echoed” (not) - in Dioceses and Parishes…

A UNITED Catholic Vote by all Catholics - following Catholic Teachings easily suffices to have Blocked any attempt to have allowed for Legalized Abortion and HomoSexual “marriages”

But? Satan wouldn’t want that; would he?

 

[meltzerboy2]

My understanding, which may very well be wrong, is that it is not a sin to vote for a pro-choice candidate PROVIDED you are voting for them not because they are pro-choice but because of other issues that are in line with Catholic teaching, and the other candidates are not in line with Catholic teaching on a variety of issues. If, however, you are expressly voting for the candidate BECAUSE they are pro-choice, that may be a sin.

 

[JSRG]

JSRG:

A question: From 2016 to 2018, the Republicans controlled the presidency, Senate, and House of Representatives. What anti-abortion measures did they pass?

I don’t remember any, but it’s possible I’m wrong. I don’t think they ever cut off federal funding for Planned Parenthood despite so much rhetoric being waged about that.

For that matter what tax relief or other assistance did they funnel towards struggling families or single parents? What support for crisis pregnancy services or the like (so women feel less pressured into having abortions in the first place)?

It’s all very well to make abortion illegal, but the flip side is supporting women (or families) who find themselves pregnant and struggling.

Good point. Was there anything the Republicans did in these areas? Remember, they had 2 full years of controlling the House, Senate, and Presidency to accomplish this sort of thing.

Like I said before, maybe they did and I’m unaware of it, which is why I’m asking. The fact no one was able to point to anything in my first question is an indicator that the Republicans didn’t do anything, though.

 

[Emeraldlady]

jofa:

USCCB voting guides are so vague they are neither Catholic nor guide!
I am scandalized by the USCCB’s decisions half the time.
It’s analogous to the RNC before Trump came along: wishy-washy, vague, trying to please everyone and therefore pleasing no one.
It seems like they don’t really do anything for the Church in America.
Someone please tell me what I’m mistaken or blind about…
God bless

For years - Some Catholics have noted their lack of clearcut Teachings on Abortion - whenever a major American Election was coming on - which naturally was “echoed” (not) - in Dioceses and Parishes…

A UNITED Catholic Vote by all Catholics - following Catholic Teachings easily suffices to have Blocked any attempt to have allowed for Legalized Abortion and HomoSexual “marriages”

But? Satan wouldn’t want that; would he?

This round of elections has a new party that is in my opinion a direct answer to what Catholics have been praying for, in the American Solidarity Party. A party in every way aligned to Catholic Social Teaching and led by genuine pro life candidate. They will have the option for write ins in nearly every state. That’ll be the litmus test of whether Catholic voters are really interested in a prolife party or really just pretending, to hide their secular political agendas.