Why won't non-Catholic Christians recite the Holy Rosary?

[dizzle]

Jimmy B,
Yes i made that but its not better than your. I love the chained rosaries but dont quite have the time or skill to make one just now. I get what you mean about sore thumbs, though. I started making strung rosaries, like you see so much of now. But I was never happy with connecting the crucifix and center with the bare jewelry cable–doesnt look the greatest. So i started making wire wrapped links then connecting the string of beads to that. I like it much better but just wrapping the links makes my fingers sore (Im getting kind of old). One of these days i will take the time to make a complete wire wrapped rosary, or maybe two or three.
Thanks for the compliment though.
Peace.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Jimmy B,
Yes i made that but its not better than your. I love the chained rosaries but dont quite have the time or skill to make one just now. I get what you mean about sore thumbs, though. I started making strung rosaries, like you see so much of now. But I was never happy with connecting the crucifix and center with the bare jewelry cable–doesnt look the greatest. So i started making wire wrapped links then connecting the string of beads to that. I like it much better but just wrapping the links makes my fingers sore (Im getting kind of old). One of these days i will take the time to make a complete wire wrapped rosary, or maybe two or three.
Thanks for the compliment though.
Peace.

Thank you for your post and for making Rosaries.

God Bless You!

 

[justasking4]

Why do Catholics appeal to Mary at the hour of their deaths instead of Christ Who conquered death for us?

Did the church in the first 3 centuries teach that Mary should be appealed to at the hour of death?

 

[LilyM]

Why do Catholics appeal to Mary at the hour of their deaths instead of Christ Who conquered death for us?

Did the church in the first 3 centuries teach that Mary should be appealed to at the hour of death?

Why was it Mary who requested the miracle at Cana and not Jesus who did it on His own without being asked by her? He LIKED that she asked, He LIKED the demonstration of faith she made by trusting that He would help even after He made it sound like He wouldn’t.

Why did He send the 72 out to heal and preach and cast out demons and so on? He is all powerful God, He could have done all the necessary healing and preaching Himself without sending them out. But it pleased Him to entrust them with something of His power and authority.

He LIKES us to trust each other and help each other. He LIKES us to pray together with Our Holy Mother and the other saints, of the heavenly and earthly variety, in our every need.

 

[justasking4]

Why was it Mary who requested the miracle at Cana and not Jesus who did it on His own without being asked by her? He LIKED that she asked, He LIKED the demonstration of faith she made by trusting that He would help even after He made it sound like He wouldn’t.

Why did He send the 72 out to heal and preach and cast out demons and so on? He is all powerful God, He could have done all the necessary healing and preaching Himself without sending them out. But it pleased Him to entrust them with something of His power and authority.

He LIKES us to trust each other and help each other. He LIKES us to pray together with Our Holy Mother and the other saints, of the heavenly and earthly variety, in our every need.

If this is the case why don’t the Scriptures teach this? Why do we not see any exhortations of anyone in the NT praying to someone who has died and stayed dead for help?

In every case in the NT we are taught or exhorted to pray is always to God directly. There is never any appeal to pray to Paul, Stephen, James or Peter after they died. Rather is it always directed to Christ Who is our great High Priest Who intercedes for us.

 

[guanophore]

Why do Catholics appeal to Mary at the hour of their deaths instead of Christ Who conquered death for us?

We don’t. We don’t ask for anyone’s intercession “instead” of Christ’s. All who are in Christ are one with His Body, the Church. Jesus is not separated from His Body.

Did the church in the first 3 centuries teach that Mary should be appealed to at the hour of death?

It was a practices of the early Church to ask for intercession from those who had gone on before them in faith.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I don’t know about all non-Catholics except for the Baptist that I know, they don’t mediate on the mysteries of the Holy Rosary, but some other non-Catholics that I know do pray it. I am a cradle Catholic and pray and mediate on the mysteries of the Holy Rosary daily. If you will notice, the middle of the Hail Mary prayer is about Jesus.

Hail Mary, full of grace the **Lord **is with thee, Blessed art thou amongst women and Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus, Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, amen (we’re asking her to pray for us sinners), just as we ask her intercession in the Mass.

As I am sure that this has already been pointed out, the fact remains that in order for the Holy Rosary to not be a prayer that is just repeated over and over for no reason, the mysteries of the Life, Death and Resurrection of our Lord are to be mediated upon, and as has been explained to me, this is done with and through the eyes of His Mother.

All prayer leads to Jesus, and most especially the Rosary. All the prayers of the Mass are prayed to God, through Jesus and in the Holy Spirit. In the Liturgy of the Mass…and we ask Blessed Mary, ever Virgin and you my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the Lord our God. Her intercession is very powerful before God, as she takes all our prayers directly to her Son, Christ Jesus. As the spouse of the Holy Spirit, she is totally united to HIM. Just as at His first public miracle she says, “Do whatever He tells you.”

It has never been about her, and I am sure that she would be the first to tell you that, it’s all about HIM. The Holy Rosary is like a daily Bible mediation when done correctly.

Maybe it’s becuse we don’t feel comfortable praying to someone other than God? The word of God doesn’t tell us to pray to saints or to mary.

 

[guanophore]

If this is the case why don’t the Scriptures teach this? Why do we not see any exhortations of anyone in the NT praying to someone who has died and stayed dead for help?

The scriptures do not record all the practices and beliefs of the early Church.

In every case in the NT we are taught or exhorted to pray is always to God directly. There is never any appeal to pray to Paul, Stephen, James or Peter after they died. Rather is it always directed to Christ Who is our great High Priest Who intercedes for us.

Well, ja4, knock yourself out! Why are you on this thread?

 

[justasking4]

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Originally Posted by justasking4
Why do Catholics appeal to Mary at the hour of their deaths instead of Christ Who conquered death for us?

guanophore
We don’t. We don’t ask for anyone’s intercession “instead” of Christ’s. All who are in Christ are one with His Body, the Church. Jesus is not separated from His Body.

When you pray “Holy Mary, Mother of God,pray for us sinners now,and at the hour of death” you are asking for Mary to intercede for you at one of the most important times in a person’ life. There is no mention of Christ’ name in the Hail Mary.

Secondly, where do the scriptures refer to Christians as sinners by name?

Quote:
Originally Posted by justasking4
Did the church in the first 3 centuries teach that Mary should be appealed to at the hour of death?

guanophore
It was a practices of the early Church to ask for intercession from those who had gone on before them in faith.

Who taught this in the early church of the 2nd- 3rd centuries?

 

[Jimmy_B]

When you pray “Holy Mary, Mother of God,pray for us sinners now,and at the hour of death” you are asking for Mary to intercede for you at one of the most important times in a person’ life. There is no mention of Christ’ name in the Hail Mary.

Secondly, where do the scriptures refer to Christians as sinners by name?

Who taught this in the early church of the 2nd- 3rd centuries?

Hey friend, where you been, I missed you?

As far as your comment,

“you are asking for Mary to intercede for you at one of the most important times in a person’ life.”

My response is - Absolutely!

I love Mary, she is Jesus’ mother and I hope that she will intercede for me at the end; to the one and only Mediator, Christ my Lord and her son…I know she will.

Catholic’s love to pray, this is not the only prayer we pray. The “Glory be”, the “O’ my Jesus” and the “Our Father” and other prayers are also going to be prayed when praying the Hail Mary.

I know that I pray all these prayers and I thank God and ask Him to forgive me, every day, when I put my Scapular on.

Catholicism is center on Jesus Christ. Mary is obviously a part of Catholicism (Christianity) for obvious reasons.

I hope this helps.

Peace and welcome back!

 

[JRKH]

Maybe it’s becuse we don’t feel comfortable praying to someone other than God? The word of God doesn’t tell us to pray to saints or to mary.

I look at it this way.
Mary is the Mother of Jesus.
Jesus is the Son of God.
We are Children of God by our Baptism into faith.
Jesus is our Elder Brother in God.
Since we are Children of God, and Jesus is Our Brother, Mary is Our Mother.

Sometimes I talk to Mom to ask Dad for Something.
(Everybody knows mom can get dad to do things us kids could never get him to do by ourselves. )

All kidding aside, as has been repeatly said, there is nothing in the Church that requires us to pray to/through Mary. While it is a widespread devotion, it is simply NOT a requirement. Therefore if anyone does not feel comfortable with such prayer, simply do not do it.

Peace
James

 

[Hesychios]

We pray the Lord’s prayer. Don’t know much else about the Rosary prayers.

It just so happens that the rosary originated as 150 repetitions of the Lord’s prayer. The popular version has evolved considerably since then.

It is still possible to pray it the old way, even using the common rosary beads.

One can break it up at the larger beads to pray something else, like a simple doxology such as “Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.”

If one feels the need to pray and cannot find the words, sometimes this practice will help. I know that in times of great sorrow or agitation (even fear), the praying in the Lord’s own words can be a great comfort.

One can create one’s own prayer rule, many people have done so over the years, which is why there are so many different chaplets known (usually attributed to saints, or dedicated to their memory).

Like others I find the Jesus Prayer to be a great source of Christian strength. Forms of it can be shown to have been prayed since the first few centuries. It has been called the “Prayer of the Heart”. One does not really need beads or rope or even fingers to pray, all one needs is an open heart.

Michael

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I look at it this way.
Mary is the Mother of Jesus.
Jesus is the Son of God.
We are Children of God by our Baptism into faith.
Jesus is our Elder Brother in God.
Since we are Children of God, and Jesus is Our Brother, Mary is Our Mother.

Sometimes I talk to Mom to ask Dad for Something.
(Everybody knows mom can get dad to do things us kids could never get him to do by ourselves. )

All kidding aside, as has been repeatly said, there is nothing in the Church that requires us to pray to/through Mary. While it is a widespread devotion, it is simply NOT a requirement. Therefore if anyone does not feel comfortable with such prayer, simply do not do it.

Peace
James

John the Baptist was the cousin of Jesus. Does that mean that I can string a bunch of scriptures about John the Baptist and pray that to him?

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God: and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

 

[LilyM]

If this is the case why don’t the Scriptures teach this? Why do we not see any exhortations of anyone in the NT praying to someone who has died and stayed dead for help?

In every case in the NT we are taught or exhorted to pray is always to God directly. There is never any appeal to pray to Paul, Stephen, James or Peter after they died. Rather is it always directed to Christ Who is our great High Priest Who intercedes for us.

You’re squirming like a cut snake - it’s not enough for you any more that Jesus (on numerous occasions) and Peter both spoke to the dead who heard them - as if that in itself doesn’t blow apart your theory that we aren’t allowed to communicate with the deceased.

Tell me in what parallel universe would we only permitted to communicate with the dead in order to command them to rise from the dead? What kind of half-baked operation do you think God runs where that sort of nutty rule applies?

Now that we’ve scored that goal, at any rate, you just have to try to move the posts now and say that they have to speak to people to ‘died and stayed dead’.

Well how about these two - Jesus communicated with Moses, who was one who definitely died and stayed dead. The rich man prayed to Father Abraham, who definitely died and stayed dead. Note that his prayer for his brothers was unanswered, not because Abraham was unable to answer it, but because it would have done no good for him to answer it.

 

[JRKH]

John the Baptist was the cousin of Jesus. Does that mean that I can string a bunch of scriptures about John the Baptist and pray that to him?

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God: and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

From a Catholic perspective I can pray, that is ask, St John the Baptist to intercede on my behalf with Christ. There is no need to “string together scripture” to do this.

I will repeat my earlier statement.
I have no problem with going directly to the Father. This is precisely what Jesus told us to do. Plus He told us to call God OUR Father. Praying through Mary or another Saint is a personal devotion and is not required by the Church for salvation.

People who are arguing so strongly against such prayers are simply not looking deeply enough at their faith. They are not trusting enough in Jesus.
Consider:

1. We know that there are those who have died and are in heaven. The transfiguration is proof of that. Christ is the King of the Living, not the dead.
2. Many wonderful positive things have happened to people as the result of their faith in the power of the saints to intercede, from simple things like finding a lost item, to miraculous healings.
3. To put these things into perspective, look at what Jesus said when the pharasees accused Him of casting out demons using the power of the devil. He turned it on them. A Kingdom divided will fall. Our prayer requests, whether to a saint or directly to the Father, come from a basis of Good, that is Godly, not from a basis Evil, that is unGodly.
4. Christ also taught that it is what is in ones heart, the purity and goodness of intent that is most important.
5. Thus even though asking a saint, (who is alive and in heaven with Our Lord), to pray for us may seem a violation of some ordinance, it is pure and right in the site of God for it’s intent is pure and good.

Of course if one feels uncomfortable with this form of prayer, then one should not employ it in personal devotion. Personally I pray almost exclusively to The Father. To each their own.

Peace
James

 

[Cairisti]

When you pray “Holy Mary, Mother of God,pray for us sinners now,and at the hour of death” you are asking for Mary to intercede for you at one of the most important times in a person’ life. **There is no mention of Christ’ name in the Hail Mary. **

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Yes there is.

…And Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.

Comes straight from the gospel of Luke.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

justasking4;3970890:

When you pray “Holy Mary, Mother of God,pray for us sinners now,and at the hour of death” you are asking for Mary to intercede for you at one of the most important times in a person’ life. **There is no mention of Christ’ name in the Hail Mary. **

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Yes there is.

…And Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.

Comes straight from the gospel of Luke.

But isn’t it Jesus who intercedes for us exclusively? I don’t see where Catholics get the idea they can pray to dead saints and have them intercede for us.

 

[Good_Fella]

When you pray “Holy Mary, Mother of God,pray for us sinners now,and at the hour of death” you are asking for Mary to intercede for you at one of the most important times in a person’ life. There is no mention of Christ’ name in the Hail Mary.

Did you say no mention of Christ’s name? Isn’t Mary the mother of Christ who is God? And so we address Mary as the “Mother of God” in the ‘Hail Mary’.

And Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, “How is it that the mother of my Lord (‘adonis’ = Lord God) should come to me?”
Luke 1, 42

Pax vobiscum
Good Fella

 

[guanophore]

When you pray “Holy Mary, Mother of God,pray for us sinners now,and at the hour of death” you are asking for Mary to intercede for you at one of the most important times in a person’ life. There is no mention of Christ’ name in the Hail Mary.

Do you think, if you do not mention the word “Christ” then it is not a proper prayer?

If I were to ask you to pray for me, I would not say “in the name of Christ” please pray for me. I would not be asking you for your prayers if I didn’t believe you were praying in His name. It goes without saying.

Secondly, where do the scriptures refer to Christians as sinners by name?

I guess I don’t understand the question. Do you not believe that all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God?

Who taught this in the early church of the 2nd- 3rd centuries?

The names of the authors of many great hymns and prayer are lost to history. The author of the Glory Be is lost also.

I suppose if God thought it was important to have their names, He would have preserved them.

 

[guanophore]

John the Baptist was the cousin of Jesus. Does that mean that I can string a bunch of scriptures about John the Baptist and pray that to him?

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God: and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

There is no need to “string a bunch of scriptures”. If you want the Baptist to intercede for you, just ask him! Scripture is helpful, because it gives us guidance about how to pray. For instance, John said “bear fruit that befits repentance”. So, one could use his words, and ask him “St. John the Baptism pray for me, that I may bear the fruit that befits repentance as you preached”.

The gift of God that we are able to partake of His mediation through participation in reconciling the world to Himself, and interceding does not take anything away from Him. When a candle lights another candle, it does not make the first lamp weaker.