Why Would A Catholic Vote For A ProChoice Canidate?

[mapleoak]

Exactly! The point is not that a pro-abortion canidate “MIGHT” be better on the whole, the point is a person who supports abortion is so morally flawed they are unfit to lead.

The highest office in the land no less. Amazing how someone who supports killing his own people could even be considered to have the moral integrity to run a country.

Which is how so many on this Board rationalize supporting the GOP which clearly supports abortion in the event of incest and rape - imagine killing a child that did nothing because someone else committed a crime. The GOP is no better than the Dems. They’re all guilty of moral failure under the Catholic test. We’re all just one big happy family of rationalizers.

I for one will not rationalize voting for anyone who supports killing the unborn. If all Catholics in this country voted how a Catholic should, there would be no shortage of sound candidates.

 

[vern_humphrey]

The highest office in the land no less. Amazing how someone who supports killing his own people could even be considered to have the moral integrity to run a country.

I for one will not rationalize voting for anyone who supports killing the unborn. If all Catholics in this country voted how a Catholic should, there would be no shortage of sound candidates.

And both abortions and abortionists would be rare.

Abortion is a Catholic sin – it is rampant in this country because we Catholics vote for pro-abortion politicians.

 

[mapleoak]

Because those Catholics who consider themselves Democrats will not expel those politicians who support abortion.

Purge your party!

In the same way, if all ‘Catholic Democrats’ voted as a Catholic should, there would be major changes to the platform.

 

[mapleoak]

And both abortions and abortionists would be rare.

Abortion is a Catholic sin – it is rampant in this country because we Catholics vote for pro-abortion politicians.

So true!

 

[estesbob]

So anyone who is Ok with abortion in the event of rape or incest is unfit. OK, that leaves no major politician in the country - including the GOP. Time to move to, where exactly?

The number of abortions for rape and incest are so minsiscule it it specious to bring them into the discussion. In addtion is it absolute nonsense to say its OK to support a canidate who supports the slaughter of 1.2 million children a year becase his opponent supports the almost non existent rape and incest abortions.

Nice attempt to derail the thread however. Personally i am not going to go any further down that goat track with you.

 

[unixfudotnet]

Ok, now that makes sense, I didn’t see if from that side of things.

If someone is ok with killing the unborn, how can whatever else he/she has to say be worth listening to and trusted.

 

[rlg94086]

The number of abortions for rape and incest are so minsiscule it it specious to bring them into the discussion. In addtion is it absolute nonsense to say its OK to support a canidate who supports the slaughter of 1.2 million children a year becase his opponent supports the almost non existent rape and incest abortions.

Nice attempt to derail the thread however. Personally i am not going to go any further down that goat track with you.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Pro-Choice means there is a choice. Pro-Life means there is no choice. The Sanctity of Life is upheld by those who are Pro-Life. Yes, abortion existed centuries ago and it still exists today. Does this mean there has been no human growth in understanding how valuable life is? We are not as ignorant in biology as those of eons ago are we? So doesn’t this make us more culpable, more responsible for our decisions, or not?

By the wording of your reply, one could not tell if you are for abortion or not. What you said is true. That does not make pro=choice OK. It is still immoral and murder to kill an innocent unborn whatever the rhetoric. *** I said, it is not a choice, it is a life. Pro life means upholding NOT killing the innocent unborn, for whatever misguided reason the proponent for Pro Choice cares to use.
Deacon Ed B

 

[Gamera]

Ok, now that makes sense, I didn’t see if from that side of things.

If someone is ok with killing the unborn, how can whatever else he/she has to say be worth listening to and trusted.

Call me crazy, but a candidate who thinks it should be legal to kill babies is by definition unfit to hold public office.

I still don’t understand Catholics who vote on the basis of the Iraq War. I don’t like the war either, I never did. But the number of Americans killed in the Iraq War over the past five years still hasn’t reached the number of Americans killed by abortion every DAY. What about their lives?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Call me crazy, but a candidate who thinks it should be legal to kill babies is by definition unfit to hold public office.

Such a candidate is as fit for office as a candidate who thinks it should be legal to kill Jews, or Blacks, or Catholics.

 

[Gamera]

Such a candidate is as fit for office as a candidate who thinks it should be legal to kill Jews, or Blacks, or Catholics.

Exactly. Imagine someone rationalizing a vote for a white supremacist candidate by arguing, “I don’t like his plan for racial genocide, but I do support his plan for a balanced budget amendment …”

 

[gloworm57]

Because those Catholics who consider themselves Democrats will not expel those politicians who support abortion.

Purge your party!

Do Catholics really stand behind Evangelical Fundamentalists in light of this 1 issue and vote republican? I don’t believe in abortion, but even a president or court of law can’t stop a young woman from aborting her baby. She will utlimately find a way if her mind is set. Let God be the ultimate judge of these people, meanwhile those of us in ministry offering counseling and forgiveness to women who have already committed the act and who seek repentence. Should this really be a political issue???

Prayer and forgiveness

 

[dmelosi]

Do Catholics really stand behind Evangelical Fundamentalists in light of this 1 issue and vote republican? I don’t believe in abortion, but even a president or court of law can’t stop a young woman from aborting her baby. She will utlimately find a way if her mind is set. Let God be the ultimate judge of these people, meanwhile those of us in ministry offering counseling and forgiveness to women who have already committed the act and who seek repentence. Should this really be a political issue???

Prayer and forgiveness

For you to say that Catholics stand behind anyone on this issue is a very silly statement.

The ministry of offering counseling and forgiveness to women who have already committed the act is a very good and noble thing to do. I really commend you for this.

BUT, correct me if I am wrong…you do not think that we should do all we can to stop the murder of the most innocent?

You really do have to realize that it is with certainty that a democrat president will appoint only pro choice nominees, don’t you?

 

[unixfudotnet]

While it is easy to think a president that is pro-life will help pro-life issues, it is just not the case.

He is just the president. The other branches of government decide those issues. While it is nice to think that a president has so much control over the abortion issue, he/she just doesn’t. The president is not a dictator and this is not a monarchy.

It will have to come down to the country as a whole feeling the same way about abortion. Sure, voting for someone you feel shouldn’t hold the office is perfectly normal in a democracy, yet don’t think that just because that person is in office that any real change to overturn abortion will ever happen because the executive branch wants it so.

It is a big rock to overturn and probably will require the judicial, executive, and legislative branches to all be in unison. Though the executive branch is powerful in that it is just one person, it is just a part of the overall system of government we have.

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Vote for whole you feel should be in office. That is democracy. Putting other people down for who they choose to vote is not fair, as you should expect the same respect to be given to you.

 

[estesbob]

While it is easy to think a president that is pro-life will help pro-life issues, it is just not the case.

He is just the president. The other branches of government decide those issues. While it is nice to think that a president has so much control over the abortion issue, he/she just doesn’t. The president is not a dictator and this is not a monarchy.

It will have to come down to the country as a whole feeling the same way about abortion. Sure, voting for someone you feel shouldn’t hold the office is perfectly normal in a democracy, yet don’t think that just because that person is in office that any real change to overturn abortion will ever happen because the executive branch wants it so.

It is a big rock to overturn and probably will require the judicial, executive, and legislative branches to all be in unison. Though the executive branch is powerful in that it is just one person, it is just a part of the overall system of government we have.

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Vote for whole you feel should be in office. That is democracy. Putting other people down for who they choose to vote is not fair, as you should expect the same respect to be given to you.

It doesnt matter how much a President can do about abortion . We simply can not entrust leadership to one who believes it is acceptable to kill our children.

 

[unixfudotnet]

It doesnt matter how much a President can do about abortion . We simply can not entrust leadership to one who believes it is acceptable to kill our children.

That is the beauty of democracy You can choose. Of course, the annoying part is that others can too, heh.

 

[BamaRider]

The posts by many of y’all here has strengthened and firmed my resolve to keep voting pro life. I guess I’m fortunate that pro life is a conservative principal and mostly supported by those I align with on other issues.

The arguments by many determined pro life voters here, have been succulent and poignant.

Vern, Deacon, Dmelosi, Mary Bobo, and Estesbob, et al, y’all are in the good fight. For every guy that posts on this forum probably 100 they just read and lurk. From y’all’s posts, I bet many of them that once sat on the fence, or voted pro choice candidates, have changed their minds. We’ll never know the number lurkers that have been swayed to the side of the pro life vote, but I’m sure more then a few.

Many pro choice voting Catholics, came in here, stated their case and after their position was filleted by y’all went away and never made another post on this thread. What were they gonna say? I mean a few still stick around here, but we need them to keep the debate going so the new lurkers can see the light. Some are gonna vote pro choice, no matter what. They are more liberal than pro life, and that wins the day, but they serve the purpose of the debate on why so many Catholics vote pro choice. Never let it be said CAF is not “fair and balanced.”

Reviewing over 60 pages of posts, one can see the position y’all put some folks in; not only having to justify a pro choice vote, but trying to convince pro life voting Catholics to switch positions based on the “other” issues.

Think of how many nonchalant Catholics, who really didn’t know what he was doing, clicked in here and had his mind changed. “Yanno, those guys are right, I’m voting pro life next oppurtunity, and whatever happens after that, I’ll deal with later.”

I wonder why it is, you never see a Pro Life guy switch sides, as opposed to the Pro Choice person chaging his heart. I appreciate the effort y’all have put forth on this thread, on many of them I could feel y’all’s frustration but ya kept/keep at it. Way to go.

 

[BamaRider]

Unix said-

It is a big rock to overturn and probably will require the judicial, executive, and legislative branches to all be in unison. Though the executive branch is powerful in that it is just one person, it is just a part of the overall system of government we have.

Well yeah, that is why you vote pro life in local elections, House and Senate races and THEN for President.

 

[unixfudotnet]

The posts by many of y’all here has strengthened and firmed my resolve to keep voting pro life. I guess I’m fortunate that pro life is a conservative principal and mostly supported by those I align with on other issues.

The arguments by many determined pro life voters here, have been succulent and poignant.

Vern, Deacon, Dmelosi, Mary Bobo, and Estesbob, et al, y’all are in the good fight. For every guy that posts on this forum probably 100 they just read and lurk. From y’all’s posts, I bet many of them that once sat on the fence, or voted pro choice candidates, have changed their minds. We’ll never know the number lurkers that have been swayed to the side of the pro life vote, but I’m sure more then a few.

Many pro choice voting Catholics, came in here, stated their case and after their position was filleted by y’all went away and never made another post on this thread. What were they gonna say? I mean a few still stick around here, but we need them to keep the debate going so the new lurkers can see the light. Some are gonna vote pro choice, no matter what. They are more liberal than pro life, and that wins the day, but they serve the purpose of the debate on why so many Catholics vote pro choice. Never let it be said CAF is not “fair and balanced.”

Reviewing over 60 pages of posts, one can see the position y’all put some folks in; not only having to justify a pro choice vote, but trying to convince pro life voting Catholics to switch positions based on the “other” issues.

Think of how many nonchalant Catholics, who really didn’t know what he was doing, clicked in here and had his mind changed. “Yanno, those guys are right, I’m voting pro life next oppurtunity, and whatever happens after that, I’ll deal with later.”

I wonder why it is, you never see a Pro Life guy switch sides, as opposed to the Pro Choice person chaging his heart. I appreciate the effort y’all have put forth on this thread, on many of them I could feel y’all’s frustration but ya kept/keep at it. Way to go.

Catholic beliefs and how they relate to politics is hardly a crusade… yet I’m sure many feel it is.

A person can still be evil and the wrong choice for government even if they are pro-life. Many republicans are because their party is. Many just want to be in office period. Sure they start off with lofty goals, yet the reality is that that fades fast. It is a dirty and evil game, where they try to say and do the right things to win votes and stay in office. Many senate members barely even show up to vote.

It’s nice to think that the person that has a platform that we agree with will bring forth real change or actually stands behind it, yet the reality is a bit different.

Being elected is priority number one for politicians, not that their platform and words that come out of their mouth are what they believe and feel.

Yet, like I said before. Vote for who you think should win, yet don’t judge others on their vote or opinions, especially in judging their Catholic faith. That is between them and God, and no one else. Everyone should just be worrying about themselves more than looking at what everyone else is doing.

 

[BamaRider]

A person can still be evil and the wrong choice for government even if they are pro-life. Many republicans are because their party is. Many just want to be in office period. Sure they start off with lofty goals, yet the reality is that that fades fast. It is a dirty and evil game, where they try to say and do the right things to win votes and stay in office. Many senate members barely even show up to vote.

I don’t disagree with this. Being pro life doesn’t mean a guy can’t do bad stuff.