Why would a Roman Catholic become Orthodox?

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Stathios said:
Rock Mass. You know guitars and other modern stuff. My mother is Roman Catholic I seen the Mass been destroyed over the years.
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God bless!

I have seen a mass called “rave mass”. They played techno in an famous rcc Cathedral and the people were dancing and lights were blinking - horriible - I am not catholic but I feel shocked by such things.

I can send u fotos of such Masses were children in front of the Holy communion are playing and throwing paper flyers through the church to the people ,or a priest serving the mass with a blasphemious Robe wiith animal blood as decoration.
I could go on and on…many rcc here were also shocked to hear “the young woman” instead of Virgin during the Mass. People were so angry that they protested and they changed the blasphemy against the Mother of God.
You only have to look to some modern Churches build here - they are like Garages and not like the house of God !

Here was also a Scandal of a youth pamphlet by an german diocese were u could read how to use condoms and pills…

In CHRIST
 
bogoljub said:
God bless!

I try to do my best !

But u are soooo true ! In some so called orthodox churches in the usa and western europe they introduced some foreign things - it would be a ly to deny it. But I have to say for me they are not orthodox anymore. Not everything called orthodox is orthodox !
Oh how often Blessed Seraphim rose wrote about suffering orthodoxy ! I can tell u that in russia u are not even allowed to venerate a cross without covering. Usually it is not allowed for woman to wear pants or short sleeves it is also not liked when woman have short hair but the same with man - they are not allowed to wear shirts with short sleeves or short pants.
So is the new calender : for me it is uncanonical and many many orthodox Saints and Elders were against the change !

It is an old apostolic Traditon that w stand on the left side and man on the right and not mixed !

God also worked many great miracles not to change the calender- the appearance over Athens in 1925 thousends of greeks could see the Crosse of Light appearing on the old calender feast of the Veneration of the cross. The Holy Fire did not appear in Jerusalem so the Patriarch returned to the old. The Theotokos appeared to different orthodox and told them not to change the calender, she said only the old calender is ther correct one.

But we are living in time of apostasy, will Christ find faith when he returns ?

There will be only a few with the correct faith and Tradition only a few !

But this is the difference we do not say that we are infallable or that we can not err- of corse we can- when we leave the Tradition and the Holy canons ! But the catholics say that they have and infallable instance - when so many things are contrary to true faith and Tradition ! How can u believe it seeing the great errors and dis-unity in the rcc ?

IN CHRIST
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This is the point. Once your liturgy and Traditions are finally destroyed you will no longer have Faith. You’ve already admitted it’s happening. That is why the deposit of Faith is protected by the Holy Spirit. And why the Fathers said to stick with Peter and the magisterum. And that is why your Church has strayed into such things as ABC and allowing divorce. You cannot just cling to liturgy.
 
jam070406 said:
Now could you provide me with the specific Papal or council documents that authorize these things you just described?
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God bless!

What nonsense are u writing ? In every Parish the mass is hold like this here and u do like there are only some exceptions.

Please forgive me but u are not true. Many rcc will tell u the contrary. The celeprate such masses in front of Popes - like John Paul the second or did u never hear of the youth festival were also Pope Benedict was there in Köln ?

And we are going in circles with the topic of the Pope !
You will go on to present to us quotes we really know and accept but not in your “special” interpretation. I have told u read the church fathers and the documents of the Synods local and ecumenical and u will see that the Popes of Rome were “even Princes” we call also the Allholy Ec. Patriarch the Arch -Thron the queen of cities, he is the prince and the Apsotels speak through him - there is no propblem- but we make hime not infallable !

So we can proof that many Popes did fall and are fallable !

In CHRIST
 
jam070406 said:
This is the point. Once your liturgy and Traditions are finally destroyed you will no longer have Faith. You’ve already admitted it’s happening. That is why the deposit of Faith is protected by the Holy Spirit. And why the Fathers said to stick with Peter and the magisterum. And that is why your Church has strayed into such things as ABC and allowing divorce. You cannot just cling to liturgy.
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God bless!

You are writing against your own opinion ! Because it is well known that the Popes fell under many Canons and anathemas.
The changed the faith and the Tradition - that’s a fact !

I do not know wich Fathers u are speaking of but I did never read any passage were it is written that the deposit of faith is with the Popes ?

IN CHRIST
 
bogoljub said:
God bless!

I have seen a mass called “rave mass”. They played techno in an famous rcc Cathedral and the people were dancing and lights were blinking - horriible - I am not catholic but I feel shocked by such things.

I can send u fotos of such Masses were children in front of the Holy communion are playing and throwing paper flyers through the church to the people ,or a priest serving the mass with a blasphemious Robe wiith animal blood as decoration.
I could go on and on…many rcc here were also shocked to hear “the young woman” instead of Virgin during the Mass. People were so angry that they protested and they changed the blasphemy against the Mother of God.
You only have to look to some modern Churches build here - they are like Garages and not like the house of God !

Here was also a Scandal of a youth pamphlet by an german diocese were u could read how to use condoms and pills…

In CHRIST
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All this is very shocking indeed. But, it is NOT allowed by Rome. These are dissidents. I pray that you will see the difference between the two. We have a magisterum to teach and inform those on proper worship and proper teaching. Sin is everywhere. Even in our Church and your Church. And perhaps the fact that you put your entire foundation in the liturgy is why a few examples of blasphemous liturgy would shake you so much.
 
bogoljub said:
God bless!

What nonsense are u writing ? In every Parish the mass is hold like this here and u do like there are only some exceptions.

Please forgive me but u are not true. Many rcc will tell u the contrary. The celeprate such masses in front of Popes - like John Paul the second or did u never hear of the youth festival were also Pope Benedict was there in Köln ?

And we are going in circles with the topic of the Pope !
You will go on to present to us quotes we really know and accept but not in your “special” interpretation. I have told u read the church fathers and the documents of the Synods local and ecumenical and u will see that the Popes of Rome were “even Princes” we call also the Allholy Ec. Patriarch the Arch -Thron the queen of cities, he is the prince and the Apsotels speak through him - there is no propblem- but we make hime not infallable !

So we can proof that many Popes did fall and are fallable !

In CHRIST
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Excuse me sir, Priests ARE NOT allowed to take their own liberties with the Mass. For you to make such a claim requires proof of the documents that say otherwise. Unless you cannot produce the documents, which you cannot, then there is no further need to discuss abuses. I suggest you also learn what infallibilty means because you know not the requirements of an infallible statement. So please don’t comment further until you have the proper understanding.
 
bogoljub said:
God bless!

You are writing against your own opinion ! Because it is well known that the Popes fell under many Canons and anathemas.
The changed the faith and the Tradition - that’s a fact !

I do not know wich Fathers u are speaking of but I did never read any passage were it is written that the deposit of faith is with the Popes ?

IN CHRIST
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jam070406 said:
All this is very shocking indeed. But, it is NOT allowed by Rome. These are dissidents. I pray that you will see the difference between the two. We have a magisterum to teach and inform those on proper worship and proper teaching. Sin is everywhere. Even in our Church and your Church. And perhaps the fact that you put your entire foundation in the liturgy is why a few examples of blasphemous liturgy would shake you so much.
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God bless !

I have to say that all this is with the blessing of Rome ! The Popes even prticipate in such Services - Benedict in Köln ( but I think he personly do not like such services) and John Paul II in other youth festivals. Such masses are the usual form here in west europe and all are participating all Bishops and Cardinals.

I was in a catholic school and had to go to the shool mass at the end of the year. Do u know what the teens did with the Host ? The put it in their bags or throw it on the ground ! I saw such horrible things that it is hard to imagine. I am not surprised that the Mother of god is weeping everywhere in the rrcc church !

Like I have told the Mother of God told an old catholic pious woman that they should repent and stop and return because otherwise God will destroy them.

In CHRIST
 
jam070406 said:
Excuse me sir, Priests ARE NOT allowed to take their own liberties with the Mass. For you to make such a claim requires proof of the documents that say otherwise. Unless you cannot produce the documents, which you cannot, then there is no further need to discuss abuses. I suggest you also learn what infallibilty means because you know not the requirements of an infallible statement. So please don’t comment further until you have the proper understanding.
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God bless!

I think there is no difference in the masses in usa - but I have to confess that I do not know the exact situation there.
But when I speak of western europe I do not speak of abuses - I speak of the usual Sunday mass in rcc parishes. This form is the common one and not an exception or an abuse !

But I will try to send some fotos and some proofes ! But it will take a bit time.

In CHRIST
 
bogoljub said:
God bless !

I have to say that all this is with the blessing of Rome ! The Popes even prticipate in such Services - Benedict in Köln ( but I think he personly do not like such services) and John Paul II in other youth festivals. Such masses are the usual form here in west europe and all are participating all Bishops and Cardinals.

I was in a catholic school and had to go to the shool mass at the end of the year. Do u know what the teens did with the Host ? The put it in their bags or throw it on the ground ! I saw such horrible things that it is hard to imagine. I am not surprised that the Mother of god is weeping everywhere in the rrcc church !

Like I have told the Mother of God told an old catholic pious woman that they should repent and stop and return because otherwise God will destroy them.

In CHRIST
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Sorry but what you have stated in not official Catholic Teaching. And nothing you can say will prove otherwise. Be aware that it was this sort of misrepresentation of the Catholic Faith that got your friends banned. G’day, I will no longer participate in this discussion, as you will not even listen to reason.
 
bogoljub said:
God bless!

I think there is no difference in the masses in usa - but I have to confess that I do not know the exact situation there.
But when I speak of western europe I do not speak of abuses - I speak of the usual Sunday mass in rcc parishes. This form is the common one and not an exception or an abuse !

But I will try to send some fotos and some proofes ! But it will take a bit time.

In CHRIST
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IT’S ABUSE!!! GET IT IN YOUR HEAD. There is no document that you can provide that will state any weird Mass you can drum up as proper worship or Catholic teaching. :mad: aaargh, I’m done.
 
jam070406 said:
Excuse me sir, Priests ARE NOT allowed to take their own liberties with the Mass. For you to make such a claim requires proof of the documents that say otherwise. Unless you cannot produce the documents, which you cannot, then there is no further need to discuss abuses. I suggest you also learn what infallibilty means because you know not the requirements of an infallible statement. So please don’t comment further until you have the proper understanding.
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God bless!

findfightfollow.at/download/medienberichte/070601_fff5_lndk_kurier.jpg

The youth are rocking in church - the title is God is cool !

Party for Jesus
findfightfollow.at/download/medienberichte/070514_fff5_igod_krone.jpg

Pop Mass in germany - youth is whistling for God ???

findfightfollow.at/download/medienberichte/070128_fff5_abseits_sonntag.jpg

I can post even more blasphemious but I do not want to hurt rcc !

Do u think I only wrote that to discredit rcc’s - no I feel sad about please believe me !

We orthodox are not anti-catholic ! We love all especially or christian brothers and sisters. But we love God and his truth too so we can not compromise !

In CHRIST
 
jam070406 said:
IT’S ABUSE!!! GET IT IN YOUR HEAD. There is no document that you can provide that will state any weird Mass you can drum up as proper worship or Catholic teaching. :mad: aaargh, I’m done.
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God bless!

NO it is not - and many rcc can tell u the same ! It is the common form here! I do not know if there is a document but the Bishops and Popes allowes it and even participate ! Should I really post fotos of Popes and Bishops ?

Do not be angry against me be angry against these Popes and Bishope who allowed such horrible things.

In CHRIST
 
bogoljub said:
You really want to tell me that this Mass is better than the Divine Liturgy ?

When we are lying on the ground with fear and trebling chanting Holy Holy HOly u are playing with dolls ?

In CHRIST
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I appreciate your attempts to defend Holy Orthodoxy. However, the Pope does not support much of what you have mentioned. In fact, these abuses are direct violations of Latin liturgical law and shouldn’t be used as representative of what the Roman Catholic Church officially supports. It might be helpful if you concentrate on the official changes that occurred in the Roman Mass after Vatican II. These reforms were very far-reaching and discussions of their merits would prove very interesting and would help many of our Roman Catholic friends to re-discover the meaning and importance of retaining Tradition in their expression of Faith.

God bless,

Adam
 
bogoljub said:
God bless!

findfightfollow.at/download/medienberichte/070601_fff5_lndk_kurier.jpg

The youth are rocking in church - the title is God is cool !

Party for Jesus
findfightfollow.at/download/medienberichte/070514_fff5_igod_krone.jpg

Pop Mass in germany - youth is whistling for God ???

findfightfollow.at/download/medienberichte/070128_fff5_abseits_sonntag.jpg

I can post even more blasphemious but I do not want to hurt rcc !

Do u think I only wrote that to discredit rcc’s - no I feel sad about please believe me !

We orthodox are not anti-catholic ! We love all especially or christian brothers and sisters. But we love God and his truth too so we can not compromise !

In CHRIST
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Those are written in German… I been noticing EO will go at length to put out the many Liturgical Abuse. Don’t get me wrong. You have your own share of disobedient sheeps.
 
bogoljub said:
God bless!

Oh it is funny to play with paper dolls in front of the Holy Altar !

http://www.st-korbinian.de/fotosweb/fagodi/wjt05_1.jpg

You really want to tell me that this Mass is better than the Divine Liturgy ?

When we are lying on the ground with fear and trebling chanting Holy Holy HOly u are playing with dolls ?

In CHRIST
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Completely uncharitable. You failed to notice if these practices are even approved by the Holy See. I’m very sure that these are all Liturgical Abuses
 
ForeverAdam said:
I appreciate your attempts to defend Holy Orthodoxy. However, the Pope does not support much of what you have mentioned. In fact, these abuses are direct violations of Latin liturgical law and shouldn’t be used as representative of what the Roman Catholic Church officially supports. It might be helpful if you concentrate on the official changes that occurred in the Roman Mass after Vatican II. These reforms were very far-reaching and discussions of their merits would prove very interesting and would help many of our Roman Catholic friends to re-discover the meaning and importance of retaining Tradition in their expression of Faith.

God bless,

Adam
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God bless !!

I am sorry but what I wrote is the truth ! Many rcc are suffering here greatly - they are poor really ! These are not abuses I have told u so often it is the common form here ! Should I go on to post fotos even more blasphemious ? But I do not want - it would be very hurting for rcc. Even with the Pope !!!

It is the common form here to celebrate catholic mass !

In CHRIST
 
bogoljub said:
God bless !!

I am sorry but what I wrote is the truth ! Many rcc are suffering here greatly - they are poor really ! These are not abuses I have told u so often it is the common form here ! Should I go on to post fotos even more blasphemious ? But I do not want - it would be very hurting for rcc. Even with the Pope !!!

It is the common form here to celebrate catholic mass !

In CHRIST
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They are abuses. Have you every bother to look at the GIRM, and other Liturgical material concerning the Mass.

I suggest you take a look at the General Instruction of the Roman Missal. Read it. Base on the images you have show, and testimony, they do bear marks of Liturgical Abuses.
 
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