Why would a straight person leave the Catholic Church over our teaching on gay marriage?

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Lara said:
True or false: heterosexual couples who stay virgins until married have the best chance of avoiding HIV when all else is equal (no exposure to dirty needles, no hepatitis C).
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False. Lesbian couples who stay virgins until married have the best chance of avoiding HIV.
 
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Quote your source. Why would a virgin male have more chance of HIV then your virgin lesbian?

Did you read the rest of the statistics and choose to forget about that?
 
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There are other ways of contracting HIV than through sex. If a gay man, straight man, and gay woman are all infected through other means the gay man will on average be more likely to pass it on to their partner than the other two, and the straight man more likely than the gay woman.
 
Also you can’t control what your partner does. There have been many men and women out there who did not realize until they got an STD that their partner was unfaithful.
 
Without a definition how is anyone supposed to tell you the rates? Ask a more specific question and I’m sure Google can help.
 
But you were the one who made the assertion. Don’t you have to back it up instead of me?
 
What definition were you using for straight couples? We should probably make it as similar to that as possible. The question about queer virginity is boiling down to the lack of penetrative sex. I’m imagining you’d prefer to use a more conservative definition of virginity meaning not having contact with another person for sexual gratification.

I’m not going to back up the idea that a woman not being sexual with another woman is equally effective as a woman not being sexual with a man. If we can’t agree those are equally effective I don’t know where we can even go from here.
 
Lara said:
True or false?: heterosexual couples who stay virgins until married have the best chance of avoiding HIV when all else is equal (no exposure to dirty needles etc.).
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Gay couples who stay virgins until married and remain monogamous afterwards would also have almost no risk of contracting HIV. It’s not gay sex that allows gay men to become infected. It’s other factors in their lives that make many of them more likely to become infected.

Just being a marginalized and oppressed minority will significantly raise someone’s risk of having various kinds of health problems, including more mental health problems like depression or low self-esteem. This in turn can lead to substance abuse and more risky sexual behaviors.
 
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She may have a close gay friend or relative that she has not discussed with you. For all you know, one of her kids is gay, or her brother is gay, or her best friend is gay, etc.

Or she may just have other issues with the church, and the gay thing is an excuse.
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I’ll agree with statement no.1
 
And so what did you make of the other statistics in my post?

And does your theory hold water in places where homosexual behaviour is even more accepted, like the Netherlands?
 
You are engaging in gossip about your co worker.

Saying she is married but is she secretly lesbian.
You are asking a public forum if she really believes.
Gossip is a sin.

Pope Francis tells us not to gossip.

Pray for her.
 
I’m saying a heterosexual virgin couple has the best chance of avoiding HIV. What are you saying?

I doubt completely that any two gay guys are virgins when they so-called “marry.” But if you can point me to two such men, please do. I also doubt it for two lesbians. Their whole premise is to live by their definition of good, not God’s. What would be their motivation to stay virgin even by your sketchy definition?
 
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Lara said:
I’m saying a heterosexual virgin couple has the best chance of avoiding HIV. What are you saying?

I doubt completely that any two gay guys are virgins when they so-called “marry.” But if you can point me to two such men, please do. I also doubt it for two lesbians. Their whole premise is to live by their definition of good, not God’s. What would be their motivation to stay virgin even by your sketchy definition?
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All virgin couples have the same chance of not getting a disease via sex.

Of course, there are other ways to get HIV.
 
Lara said:
And so what did you make of the other statistics in my post?

And does your theory hold water in places where homosexual behaviour is even more accepted, like the Netherlands?
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The first part of what I said is not a theory. Gay men who are virgins when they meet and remain monogamous afterwards have no chance of being infected with an STD. So, we know that it’s not the gay sex that leads to infection and must, as I said, be caused by other factors.

And I might add that being gay or having gay sex is not a “lifestyle” any more than being straight is a “lifestyle.” Gay men are not part of a monolithic group where everyone is the same, likes the same things, does the same things, etc. There are even gay men who are Republicans believe it or not (even I have a hard time believing that one, but I actually know some gay Republicans).
 
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Lara said:
I doubt completely that any two gay guys are virgins when they so-called “marry.” But if you can point me to two such men, please do. I also doubt it for two lesbians. Their whole premise is to live by their definition of good, not God’s. What would be their motivation to stay virgin even by your sketchy definition?
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Here’s an article about how “Some Christian Gay Couples Are Saving Sex for Marriage”

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/some-gay-couples-putting-off-sex-until-after-205248087.html
 
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You seemed interested in comparing like to like. Now what you’re wanting to do is compare promiscuous gay men to ultraconservative heterosexual men and women. One, looking at actual statistics, could easily doubt a heterosexual couple remained virgin. It happens, but one can reasonably have doubts.

Also, the ‘premise’ of being gay is being attracted to members of the same sex, not ‘to live by their own definition of good’.
 
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So these other factors. Don’t they just bring it on themselves? Are they mentally weaker to begin with? Or do they just like blaming straight people for their feeling of oppression and depressions despite the fact that straight people overwhelmingly now support their ideology? Or do they like to be promiscuous? Or do they like to mix street drugs in with their sex. What is your explanation for the statistic above (70% of new HIV cases by only 2 % of the population.)

There is nothing marginalized about gay people. They take up our streets for about a month and get to paint the colours on the sidewalks which costs thousands of dollars. I’m a virtual pariah everywhere I go for believing that LGBT aren’t meeting God’s expectations for sexuality and marriage.

Why don’t you realize the truth? If you turned every HIV-infected gay guy’s life back with a magic key, before they got HIV, and before they were sexually active and then told them the right way to live is to marry a virgin and marry as a virgin and have children OR be chaste and single, and they followed that way, you’d reduce that statistic significantly.

Plus Freddie Mercury would still be alive.
 
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Lara said:
If you turned every HIV-infected gay guy’s life back with a magic key, before they got HIV, and before they were sexually active and then told them the right way to live is to marry a virgin and marry as a virgin and have children OR be chaste and single, and they followed that way, you’d reduce that statistic significantly.
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Yeah, because gay men marrying women always goes over so well.
 
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