Why would a straight person leave the Catholic Church over our teaching on gay marriage?

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Carlos said:
In this case however, I stand with the church in its teaching against gay marriage, and people who leave for do not truly understand Church teaching or Catholicism in general and the importance of marriage between a man and a woman
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Please reconsider this mindset. Most people who disagree with Church teaching understand it just fine. Truthfully, the Church’s teaching on this issue, in particular, is not that complicated. They just disagree with it. It is condescending to suggest someone isn’t able to understnad it or the importance of marriage just because they disagree with it. That kind of attitude is what causes a lot of people to have such a poor impression of the members of the Church and to feel like they are a bunch of snoots.
 
Lara said:
He was having sex with men.
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I’m aware. I’m asking if you apply everything you’re saying about gay people to straight people who don’t follow the Church’s teachings.
 
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Most people don’t have that big of an interest in religion to begin with though and probably don’t study it that well.
 
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ComplineSanFran said:
Some of what things?
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Followed all the Jewish customs of the day. In fact, He criticized a lot of them.
Lara said:
Don’t you believe practicing homosexuals have a greater risk of AIDS? Do they not bring it upon themselves by their actions? Where is the lack of compassion in stating medical fact?
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Certainly not to the extent thatheterosexuals bring on themselves with illicit/immoral sex.

There are natural consequences for all sins, so to single out homosexual activity as any “worse” than others is a myth.

Out of wedlock pregnancies, and the high rate of teen pregnancies are far more prominent than public health problems from high risk behaviors between persons of the same sex.

I am not condoning or supporting homosexual activity, I am just pointing out that there seems to be significant bigotry and prejudice about this minority population of sexually active people.

Catholics would do well to look to the pews first, and beyond that, Catholics who are NOT in the pews and engaged in harmful sexual activity of all kinds.
 
If you are correct, then how do you explain 70% of new cases of HIV belonging to gay and bi-men who only make up 2% of the population?
 
The bigotry and prejudice comes because of their activism; their pervasive pride marches; the fact that they want to alter the school programs and inject their agenda into every subject now, every movie, every government department; the fact that they blame straights for their high rates of depression; and the fact that they cannot improve their situation as a common-law straight couple can by getting married and regularizing their relationship.
 
Lara said:
From this, you conclude that it’s a safe lifestyle?
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No, but neither would I consider a “safe lifestyle” any one that does not avoid sexual activity for a faithful marriage. There seems to be a much higher focus and animus towards homosexual high risk activity than there is heterosexual.
Lara said:
Besides, what are the chances there are lesbian couples that stay virgin until “marriage”? They can’t even define what virginity is for a lesbian.
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Who are “they”?

High risk sexual behaviors have definitely been identified and described by the CDC.
Lara said:
Don’t they just bring it on themselves? Are they mentally weaker to begin with?
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What does that mean, exactly? “mentally weaker”?
Lara said:
Or do they like to be promiscuous? Or do they like to mix street drugs in with their sex.
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Not any more than heterosexuals. People like having sex. People like using drugs. It is the nature of our fallen condition to place fleshly pleasures above God. That is the very definition of concupiscence.
Lara said:
I’m a virtual pariah everywhere I go for believing that LGBT aren’t meeting God’s expectations for sexuality and marriage.
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Are you wearing a T-shirt or hat that has a slogan like this? Tatoo? how do people find out about your beliefs?
OsculeturMeOsculo said:
I am pretty sure nobody in the forums uses the Church says so argument.
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Obviously you have missed some threads!
Lara said:
Your one good point is not everybody can live properly. And that’s true.
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TheAmazingGrace:
Do you do the same for straight people who have sex outside of marriage?
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This is a myth. God gives grace to every human person to find Him, and after finding Him, grace to live according to His commandments.
TheAmazingGrace said:
Do you do the same for straight people who have sex outside of marriage?
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This is my major beef. Why are we not starting with persons who identify as “Catholic” and are not following the Commandments. Polls say 80% of Catholics approve of birth control. How is this mortal sin not just as bad as what a minority population of non-Catholics are doing?
 
Lara said:
The bigotry and prejudice comes because of their activism; their pervasive pride marches; the fact that they want to alter the school programs and inject their agenda into every subject now, every movie, every government department; the fact that they blame straights for their high rates of depression; and the fact that they cannot improve their situation as a common-law straight couple can by getting married and regularizing their relationship.
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These are all serious spiritual, societal, and legal issues. We will not conquer the wrongs of the world, though, by bigotry and prejudice.

John 13:35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

The Church has the challenge first to love those who are baptized Catholic that have strayed from the One Faith.

1 Peter 4:8 Above all hold unfailing your love for one another, since love covers a multitude of sins.

It is love that will conquer the ills of the world - being salt and light in the midst of darkness.

Matthew 5:13 [ Salt and Light ] “You are the salt of the earth; but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trodden under foot by men.

If we lower ourselves to bigotry and prejudice, then our salt will lose it’s flavor.

Philippians 2:15 “…that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world…”

It is only when we are blameless and innocent that we can shine as lights in the darkness of the world.
 
I think she cares about equality and how others are treated. It’s small minded to assume she must be a lesbian. People can care about others.
 
There’s anger, yes, but only truth in that statement. If you disagree with something, point out why it’s false…from a Catholic perspective of course.
 
Lara said:
There’s anger, yes, but only truth in that statement. If you disagree with something, point out why it’s false…from a Catholic perspective of course.
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You’re defending bigotry and prejudice by attempting to justify that. That’s not exactly Christ-like.
 
”Why would a straight person leave the Catholic Church over our teaching on gay marriage?"

Perhaps said “straight person,” under the influence of the devil and her own sinful pride, has decided that supporting the wicked and grotesque parody of Holy Matrimony known as same sex “marriage” is somehow more important than her own salvation…
 
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Lara said:
Recognizing that a particular group is offending truth is not bigotry.
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You literally said they bring prejudice and bigotry on themselves; you defended prejudice and bigotry. Can you point out where Christ says to defend prejudice? I can only seem to find Matthew 5:39.
 
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In California schools, the homosexualist agenda-driven curriculum is just now coming into full deployment. Means I have to be ever more vigilant what I read to children. I have to vet everything thoroughly–even math lessons aren’t immune from the creeping diabolical rot.
 
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