Why would anyone want to be a Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses? Part 2

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mathonihah said:
Show me one verse in the NT where Jesus condems polygamy. Remember, the Jews were polygamists, and some of his own disciples would have been.
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No, the Jews were not polygamists. Some Jews were polygamists. And you have already been shown the verse wherein Jesus condemns polygamy, but here you are:

Mark 10:2-8
2 And Pharisees came up and in order to test him asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” 3 He answered them, “What did Moses command you?” 4 They said, “Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to put her away.” 5 But Jesus said to them, "For your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6 But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh.'

Jesus speaks against polygamy when he reveals God’s plan from the beginning that the “TWO” shall become one flesh. He speaks against divorce when he says they become “ONE FLESH”.
 
mathonihah said:
Which is beside the point. It still leaves open the question of whether she thinks Exodus 34:6-7 is correct doctrine or not.
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You can hash that out with Rebecca, I’m sure she will be more than happy to respond. But you have not answered the question concerning the obvious conflict of this verse with Mormon doctrine. Why don’t you give that a shot?
 
mathonihah said:
Show me one verse in the NT where Jesus condems polygamy. Remember, the Jews were polygamists, and some of his own disciples would have been.
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Continue to believe in a man made religion and follow false prophets Math, its your soul. And how do you know some of his disciples would have been? Not your just talking out of your arse unless you got some proof to your statement.
 
mathonihah said:
Show me one verse in the NT where Jesus condems polygamy. Remember, the Jews were polygamists, and some of his own disciples would have been.
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General question- Do you think the NT houses everything said and done by Jesus?

The new covenant doesn’t mention a change in marriage policy, thus the old law holds. Man to woman, not man to women.

Above, Steve shows you the verse where the policy doesn’t change from the old.

What ever happened to face value?

The last thing I would want to do is assume I knew God meant something He didn’t say.
 
SteveVH said:
No, the Jews were not polygamists. Some Jews were polygamists.
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All Jews were polygamists, in the sense that they all recognised and accepted the validity of the principle doctrinally and theologically; although obviously not all of them would have practised it. When we say that Muslims are polygamists, we don’t mean that every Muslim practices polygamy. We mean that it is a valid principle under their religious law and theology. The same applies to the Jews and any other group of people who practice polygamy…
And you have already been shown the verse wherein Jesus condemns polygamy, but here you are:
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Mark 10:2-8
2 And Pharisees came up and in order to test him asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” 3 He answered them, “What did Moses command you?” 4 They said, “Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to put her away.” 5 But Jesus said to them, "For your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6 But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh.'
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Jesus speaks against polygamy when he reveals God’s plan from the beginning that the “TWO” shall become one flesh. He speaks against divorce when he says they become “ONE FLESH”.
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That is a condemnation of divorce, not of polygamy. It is possible to do all the above with more than one wife. Just because it says “wife,” it doesn’t mean that there can only be one.
 
ffg said:
The last thing I would want to do is assume I knew God meant something He didn’t say.
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But their god is not our God. Our God has no begining nor an end. Their god was once a sinful man that gained his godliness 🤷
 
mathonihah said:
Do you think Exodus 34:6–7 is wrong then?

The Bible teaches that God clears the guilty when they repent.

You think it makes God puny to clear the guilty when they repent?
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no…your puny god is one who used to be a sinful human, can’t keep His promises and who has done less than Old Joe to help His Church
 
mathonihah said:
Show me one verse in the NT where Jesus condems polygamy. Remember, the Jews were polygamists, and some of his own disciples would have been.
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Ah…is this an admission that you have verse from Jesus supporting polygamy?

I think when Jesus said one man one woman, he pretty much condemns one man 2 women…or 3o+ women like that adulterous Joe had
 
SteveVH said:
You can hash that out with Rebecca, I’m sure she will be more than happy to respond. But you have not answered the question concerning the obvious conflict of this verse with Mormon doctrine. Why don’t you give that a shot?
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I will do that only if you first tell me what you think of Exodus 34:6-7. Do you agree with it, disagree with it; do you think it is fair, unfair, just, unjust of God to act in that way? What do you think.
 
mathonihah said:
I will do that only if you first tell me what you think of Exodus 34:6-7. Do you agree with it, disagree with it; do you think it is fair, unfair, just, unjust of God to act in that way? What do you think.
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still waiting for a NT verse from Jesus approving of polygamy…

and waiting…

and waiting…
 
If the LDS don’t teach Polygamy anymore why are they so all fired intent on insisting it is OK … 🤷

That was rhetorical please don’t answer it.
 
mathonihah said:
I will do that only if you first tell me what you think of Exodus 34:6-7. Do you agree with it, disagree with it; do you think it is fair, unfair, just, unjust of God to act in that way? What do you think.
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“6 Thus the Lord passed by, and he cried out, It is the Lord God, the ruler of all things, the merciful, the gracious; slow to take vengeance, rich in kindness, faithful to his promises. 7 He is true to his promise of mercy a thousand times over; shame or sin or guilt is none but he forgives it; yet, before him, none can claim innocence in his own right, and when he punishes, the son must make amends for the father’s guilt, to the third and the fourth generation.” (Exodus 34:6-7)

This verse has been celebrated by Jews for centuries. It speaks of God’s forgiveness and mercy. It tells us that none of us are worthy and that by God’s justice, punishment should reign down on generations. But God’s mercy is stronger than his judgment. In the verses following 6 and 7 we see that instead of punishment, God makes another covenant with mankind.

Now will you respond?
 
bitznbitez said:
If the LDS don’t teach Polygamy anymore why are they so all fired intent on insisting it is OK … 🤷

That was rhetorical please don’t answer it.
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That is a very interesting point, and one I have also wondered about…
 
bitznbitez said:
If the LDS don’t teach Polygamy anymore why are they so all fired intent on insisting it is OK … 🤷
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Because there are a lot of people finding fault with LDS for introducing it in the first place, implying that it was some kind of evil, unbiblical, unchristian practice.
 
SteveVH said:
“6 Thus the Lord passed by, and he cried out, It is the Lord God, the ruler of all things, the merciful, the gracious; slow to take vengeance, rich in kindness, faithful to his promises. 7 He is true to his promise of mercy a thousand times over; shame or sin or guilt is none but he forgives it; yet, before him, none can claim innocence in his own right, and when he punishes, the son must make amends for the father’s guilt, to the third and the fourth generation.” (Exodus 34:6-7)

This verse has been celebrated by Jews for centuries. It speaks of God’s forgiveness and mercy. It tells us that none of us are worthy and that by God’s justice, punishment should reign down on generations. But God’s mercy is stronger than his judgment. In the verses following 6 and 7 we see that instead of punishment, God makes another covenant with mankind.

Now will you respond?
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You have answered by destroying the verse with a faulty translation. That doesn’t count.
 
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