Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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The offspring is still a crayfish and a moth.
Sure, albeit a different crayfish and a different moth.

More change happens over time. Remember the chart identifying the specific steps and specific species that existed between a rat-like creature evolving into a whale? That covered a timespan of 20 million years or so a proven by the rocks they’re found in.
 
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The offspring is still a crayfish and a moth.
Sure, albeit a different crayfish and a different moth.

More change happens over time. Remember the chart identifying the specific steps and specific species that existed between a rat-like creature evolving into a whale? That covered a timespan of 20 million years or so a proven by the rocks they’re found in.
That chart showed just 5 so-called transitional stages from a rat to whale.Do you really believe a rat can become a whale in 5 steps?
 
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Techno2000:
The offspring is still a crayfish and a moth.
Sure, albeit a different crayfish and a different moth.

More change happens over time. Remember the chart identifying the specific steps and specific species that existed between a rat-like creature evolving into a whale? That covered a timespan of 20 million years or so a proven by the rocks they’re found in.
If you can leave that pointy stick somewhere I can take over for a while if you need a break. I’m not so busy the next few days.
 
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Vonsalza:
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Techno2000:
The offspring is still a crayfish and a moth.
Sure, albeit a different crayfish and a different moth.

More change happens over time. Remember the chart identifying the specific steps and specific species that existed between a rat-like creature evolving into a whale? That covered a timespan of 20 million years or so a proven by the rocks they’re found in.
If you can leave that pointy stick somewhere I can take over for a while if you need a break. I’m not so busy the next few days.
No match for our 3 prong pitchforks. 🙂
 
Fair. So if orchids date to 100 million years ago, where were they 200 million years ago?

The intelligent designer hadn’t poofed them yet?

Us foolish evos argue they hadn’t evolved and were something different.
According to evolutionary theories, if orchids do date back to 100,000,000 years ago, some pretty spectacularly serendipitous specific mutation occurred at that time in some ancestral flower or they developed over time, as a diversification of a kind of plant that I believe was originally created before the creation of mankind. We both utilize the same science, but rather than the diversity appearing as some random fluke, it came about from original forms of created being with the potential to do so.

They are now, as they were in the first instance, then by God, as we are right here, given life, members of a kind of being.

I wouldn’t use the word poof, for our journey through this vale of tears, to find our eternal Home, always within us, in the One True Vine, Jesus Christ.

Foolish is, as foolish does.
 
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Evolution is the most logical answer that doesn’t require the supernatural.
Except God exists and brings all this into existence.

A flat earth might be said to be the most logical answer that doesn’t require almost endless space.
 
Evolutionists don’t explicitly invoke magic or other supernatural forces in order to make their case, unlike the IDers that explicitly require it.
You are correct; they invoke luck.
 
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Vonsalza:
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Techno2000:
The offspring is still a crayfish and a moth.
Sure, albeit a different crayfish and a different moth.

More change happens over time. Remember the chart identifying the specific steps and specific species that existed between a rat-like creature evolving into a whale? That covered a timespan of 20 million years or so a proven by the rocks they’re found in.
If you can leave that pointy stick somewhere I can take over for a while if you need a break. I’m not so busy the next few days.
Always happy to have the aid of our friends from the southern climes.
 
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Vonsalza:
Evolution is the most logical answer that doesn’t require the supernatural.
Except God exists and brings all this into existence.
Hey, I agree that the God exists. But when I’m trying to create rational explanations for things, I want them demonstrable and with as few “moving parts” as possible.

It’s why I don’t try to synthesize my Ford repair manual with my religion when I’m working on my truck. I don’t need it in order to complete my task. But this doesn’t mean my Ford repair manual requires that there isn’t a God.
A flat earth might be said to be the most logical answer that doesn’t require almost endless space.
We’ve known the earth was round since the Golden Age of Greece, roughly 500 BC.
 
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Vonsalza:
Evolutionists don’t explicitly invoke magic or other supernatural forces in order to make their case, unlike the IDers that explicitly require it.
You are correct; they invoke luck.
But it isn’t completely random. The process by which the mutation of an organism is “judged” is fairly straight-forward.
That chart showed just 5 so-called transitional stages from a rat to whale.Do you really believe a rat can become a whale in 5 steps?
I think it looked something like this. You can see the steady progression.

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That is how evolutionist want interpret those fossils…its pure speculation.
 
That is how evolutionist want interpret those fossils…its pure speculation.
I won’t challenge that too harshly, as evolution is a theory and we mustn’t lose sight of that.

But it’s the best one so far. Nothing else explains so well the relatively short time these species existed, how they “disappeared”, how they “appeared” and how it resulted in the living things present today.
 
That is how evolutionist want interpret those fossils…its pure speculation.
I won’t challenge it all. Yes, people look at evidence and speculate. And yes it’s a puzzle. And everyone gets a go at solving it.

Some speculation fits the evidence so well that they form theories from them.And the theories (despite what you have been told) make predictions. Such as the positive prediction ‘if this feature appears in this organism we would expect it to appear in this other organism’. And the negative ‘if mammals appeared after dinosaurs then we won’t find fossils of both from the same era’. And ‘if the fossil record indicates a close relationship then the dna match will be a closer match than if it didn’t’. And so on.

The theory that fits the evidence best is the front runner. And will remain so until a better one comes along. One that explains the evidence in a more detailed manner and makes better predictions.

If you have a better scientific theory than the one we are discussing, that is, if it does better than the ToE at explaining things then you become the front runner.

It also must be pointed out that most of what is posted by the usual suspects is nothing but a variation on: ‘I don’t believe that could have happened…therefore it didn’t’. Closely followed by very detailed analysis of small aspects of some aspect or other of the evidence and trying to prove there is a problem. Which is NOT challenging the theory in any way. What that does, if it was shown that there could indeed be a problem (which almost always there isn’t) is putting forwards arguments for why the theory doesn’t apply to that specific piece of evidence.

As I said, the theory stands until something better comes along. So if one wishes to claim that it is not applicable to (for example), the formation of the eye, then the question everyone must ask is this:

If eyes did not appear by virtue of the scientific theory of evolution, then what scientific theory do you have that will explain them?

At this point, all we have is a theological answer. Which is fine if we were having a theological debate. But we are not. It’s a debate on a scientific theory. Period. So may I humbly make a suggestion. Instead of asking loaded questions about the ToE or making denigrating scomments about posts that people have spent a great deal of time preparing and writing, you do something positive. And that is, offer up your explanation as to why the world is as it appears now

If you have a scientific explanation (which can include or exclude God as you see fit), then you are part of the discussion. If you have a theological explanation, then really…you are in the wrong thread.
 
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A ‘no God/gods required’ explanation is a must. It HAS to be promoted here without calling it atheist materialism.
 
I won’t challenge that too harshly, as evolution is a theory and we mustn’t lose sight of that.
Ok,I see you’re a reasonable person 🙂 Don’t you think that if evolution works by small gradual modifications over a period of millions of years that there should be hundreds or thousands of transitional steps involved to go from a rat creature to a Whale?
 
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I beg to differ. It reminds of an old conversation: “Show me God. If you can show me God, I might believe in him.” So you see, only 100% pure science is allowed. God? Not so much. I believe God can do things only God can do.
 
I beg to differ. It reminds of an old conversation: “Show me God. If you can show me God, I might believe in him.” So you see, only 100% pure science is allowed. God? Not so much. I believe God can do things only God can do.
Straw Man. God can do anything. That doesn’t exclude evolution. And evolution doesn’t exclude Him.
 
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