Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Oh. That doesn’t sound so bad. I know a few people from the lunatic fringe. Piece of cake. I’m just trying to provide information that is either totally ignored or partially answered with a kind of ‘science is god’ tone.
 
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What you are offering is a very simplistic, dumbed-down explanation for a feat that is both ridiculously complex and ridiculously improbable - it’s like fantasy biology for babies.
The mechanism by which most evolution comes about just isn’t that complicated. Mutation occurs. Is it beneficial? If so, the fitness of the creature is enhanced and so is it’s reproductive output.

If it’s not beneficial, the creature dies and/or has a more limited reproductive output - killing out the mutation.

This isn’t sophisticated. I’m not exaggerating when I say that kids understand this.

A lot of the “junk” DNA present in every species are the remnants of the animals they used to be.
Highly simplistic. It proposes a completely static environment and no guarantee the beneficial mutation will be passed on.
Not static at all. The biosphere is extremely dynamic. If I remember correctly, something like 90% of all species presently on the planet are less than 200 thousand years old - this on a planet life has occupied for roughly 3.5 billion years.

The guarantee that the beneficial mutation endures is derived from the fact that it’s beneficial. If it confers benefit then the organism is more successful. Otherwise, by rule, the mutation is not beneficial.

Nothing complicated here.
Your punishment is to be banished to the outer darkness of the lunatic fringe, where all brainwashing-resistant evo-deniers end up.
Well, you’d certainly not take a place among credible academia…
 
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A worldview is being promoted here, not science.
Just the opposite, actually. It’s not a worldview. Just an explanation of how life in the present came to be.

The ID-ers are the folks trying to synthesize philosophy into it.
 
Lets start with the first, you want me to explain why you think orchids are subjectively beautiful from an objective evolutionary perspective?
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Not only are the genetics and the nature of the phenotype, on top of the biochemistry that leads to that structure, explainable from a creationist perspective, but so too is the very existence of the orchid as itself as a member of the kind of being it is, as well as its objective beauty. This is not to mention any primitive psychological perceptual and other psychological aspects that are inherent in its cellular organization.

Snicker if you will, but I find the disregard for reality in evolutionary theories to be rather sad.
 
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Lets start with the first, you want me to explain why you think orchids are subjectively beautiful from an objective evolutionary perspective?
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Not only are the genetics and the nature of the phenotype, on top of the biochemistry that leads to that structure, explainable from a creationist perspective, but so too is the very existence of the orchid as itself as a member of the kind of being it is, as well as its objective beauty. This is not to mention any primitive psychological perceptual and other psychological aspects that are inherent in its cellular organization.

Snicker if you will, but I find the disregard for reality to be rather sad.
Fair. So if orchids date to 100 million years ago, where were they 200 million years ago?

The intelligent designer hadn’t poofed them yet?

Us foolish evos argue they hadn’t evolved and were something different.
 
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Oh. That doesn’t sound so bad. I know a few people from the lunatic fringe. Piece of cake. I’m just trying to provide information that is either totally ignored or partially answered with a kind of ‘science is god’ tone.
In ancient times, humans worshipped idols and false gods made of stone and wood (or gold, for the well-heeled). In these more enlightened times, humans worship the idols and false gods of ideas contructed from their own intellgence - such as science and evolutionary biology. Dissenters are dealt with by branding them as “science haters” and “religious fanatics” who deserve banishment to the “lunatic fringe”. However, in every generation, God ensures there exists a remnant of truth-bearers who are immune to refuse to conform to the “doctrines of demons”.
 
Just the opposite, actually. It’s not a worldview. Just an explanation of how life in the present came to be.
… which is not only grossly inadequate junk-science, but is completely useless in any practical sense. Which begs the question: How and why did it become totalitarian dogma in the scientific community?
 
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Just the opposite, actually. It’s not a worldview. Just an explanation of how life in the present came to be.
… which is not only grossly inadequate junk-science, but is completely useless in any practical sense. Which begs the question: How and why did it become totalitarian dogma in the scientific community?
Because it’s the greatest and best explanation that doesn’t require some sort of magic, divinity or other irrational agent.

Again, we’re trying to find the most rational explanation for why over 99.9% of the critters we find in the rocks don’t exist anymore and why 99.9% of the critters today don’t exist in the rocks.

Leaving out inexplicable events, the ToE is has the fewest problems, making it the best theory going.
 
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Because it’s the greatest and best explanation that doesn’t require some sort of magic, divinity or other irrational agent.
It is a story that is so full of magic and irrational holes that only an atheist or the naive and gullible would take seriously.
 
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Because it’s the greatest and best explanation that doesn’t require some sort of magic, divinity or other irrational agent.
It is a story that is so full of magic and irrational holes that only an atheist or the naive and gullible would take seriously.
Evolutionists don’t explicitly invoke magic or other supernatural forces in order to make their case, unlike the IDers that explicitly require it.

For the devout rationalist, that’s +1 evolution.
 
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Natural selection did it? Natural selection can select anything at any time. And because the environment can change, it doesn’t kick alleged mutations into high gear. As you’ve pointed out - no environment, no nothing. Meaning, it has to be the right environment at the right time. Not “Sorry kid. You’ll be able to eat in a million years.”
In the real world, if it gets too hot/cold-wet\dry things die, there is no super offspring to save the day.
 
Exactly, “Natural Selection”…such a vague term.
The vague and simplistic character if evolutionary biology stems from the a priori conclusion that evolution MUST have happened, since there is no God and no Creator. Having convinced oneself that evolution must have happened, there is no real need for a water-tight scientific theory to vindicate that belief. That’s why a junk theory with enough holes in it to sink a battleship passes muster and is accepted by many scientists. It’s rubbish, but it’s the best story puny science can offer.
 
Exactly, “Natural Selection”…such a vague term.
The vague and simplistic character if evolutionary biology stems from the a priori conclusion that evolution MUST have happened, since there is no God and no Creator. Having convinced oneself that evolution must have happened, there is no real need for a water-tight scientific theory to vindicate that belief. That’s why a junk theory with enough holes in it to sink a battleship passes muster and is accepted by many scientists. It’s fantasic rubbish, but it’s the best “explanation” puny humans can come up with.
 
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The vague and simplistic character if evolutionary biology stems from the a priori conclusion that evolution MUST have happened, since there is no God and no Creator.
Not at all. It stems from the fact that virtually all the stuff in the rocks doesn’t exist any more and the stuff that exists is virtually absent from the rocks.

Life has obviously experienced multiple turnovers in diversity. Evolution is the most logical answer that doesn’t require the supernatural.
 
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