Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Hope1960 said:
Can you provide generally accepted scientific proof of your claim?
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Adam and Eve were created with bodily immortality, that is, they were created to live for eternity. After original sin their lifespan was limited.
 
And there is the divide.

Science is over here.
Religion is over there.

Clearly, for some, God did not do anything. Only natural, non-God/gods forces did.

On a Catholic forum, Divine Revelation provides the complete picture.
 
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buss0042 said:
Okay, I just need to hear you say that humans did not live for 600 years. If you can say that, we can still have a real conversation.

If you can’t come to that conclusion, we ought not continue
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Lol. Really? You are that prejudiced? Clearly you are not here to learn.

Talking to myself now, I can think of no proof that would invalidate a claim that our original ancestors could live up to a thousand years of age. To me it sort of like invalidating the belief that the sun is the centre of of solar system or that the world is round. Just because something appears one way does not mean that it is and has always been that way.
 
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rossum said:
For example, tooth wear after 200 years would be substantially more than tooth wear after 70 years.
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We are talking about a longevity in good health and the capacity to have children into the many hundreds of years. Clearly, originally created to live eternally, we would have the capacity for regeneration not found today.

An example today of a similar trait is that found in elephants. Because of their massive size, which requires ongoing maintenance, one would expect quite a high rate of cancer. It is thought that there is something in their genetic structure, not found in us, that mitigates the random changes that occur in the genetic code that result in cancerous growths.
 
Hope1960 said:
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Aloysium:
There is no proof; it is an assumption. Where’s your proof they didn’t.
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Science and common sense.
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This offers no information, no argument, but it does reveal the sort of thinking that stops thinking short. It’s another bar in the cognitive cage that keeps the spirit protected, but unable to soar. To quote the Bard, “There are more things in heaven and earth, (Hope), than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
 
Another way is,

If on computer
There’s a thine blur line to right rught you can scroll with and it goes very far.

If on phone
Tap the things saying 3226/3252 (bascially which post you’re on out of how many) and the blue bar is there too.
 
edwest said:
And there is the divide.

Science is over here.
Religion is over there.

Clearly, for some, God did not do anything. Only natural, non-God/gods forces did.

On a Catholic forum, Divine Revelation provides the complete picture.
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Straw man.

Plenty of us how said God did stuff. (What else could be gleaned from “God used evolution.”?)

Plenty of us have also brought both sceince and theology together when explaining how we think things happen.
 
I’d have a hard time looking it all up at home. Would asking some people like LeafbyNiggle, Buss, Gout, Wesrock, and Gorgias to restate what they’ve said in the past be enough for you?
 
I’ve never read an explanation of God’s role in evolution. I’ve been looking, but all there are is generalities and assertions that we are dealing with pretty much two different realities, the physical described by science and the spiritual, covered by theology. This doesn’t cut it if you want to bring people on board your way of thinking. I’ve tried my best to describe the context and foundations of my ideas; unfortunately it sounds like word salad I’ve been told. I will try to understand and give feedback to any description that brings science and theology together.
 
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Hope1960 said:
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Aloysium:
There is no proof; it is an assumption. Where’s your proof they didn’t.
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Science and common sense.
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But the natural man does not perceive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 2:14
 
The only source I’ve been able to find (and only 1) referencing “genome decay” is a devout young earth creationist (the earth is 6000 years old), so no, it’s pseudo creationist “science.”
 
Talking to you now. Things are the way they are now, and I don’t need proof to validate that we can only live 100ish years. To challenge the status quo, you would need to provide proof that this isn’t the way it naturally is.

Another way of putting it – would anybody believe humans lived 900 years if it weren’t written in the Bible?

You give me too little credit. I am here to teach and learn, but to learn, I have to be given credible information, rather than biblical hyperliteralism that is clinged to to the death to save face. If you can legitimately present reasons that humans can and have lived near 1000 years, I’m all ears
 
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buss0042 said:
Talking to you now. Things are the way they are now, and I don’t need proof to validate that we can only live 100ish years. To challenge the status quo, you would need to provide proof that this isn’t the way it naturally is.

Another way of putting it – wild anybody believe humans lived 900 years if it weren’t written in the Bible?

You give me too little credit. I am here to teach and learn, but to learn, I have to be given credible information, rather than biblical hyperliteralism that is clinged to to the death to prove save face. If you can legitimately present reasons that humans can and have lived near 1000 years, I’m all ears
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If God can bring a dead corpse back to life… then he can also sustain the flesh and prevent it from ageing.
 
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As science advances, man begins to exalt himself above God.

But I’ve heard this pattern of thinking before:

“Show me God. If you can show me God I might believe in him.” Spoken to me in the 1970s.

Science is the only source of knowledge. God becomes a word that for two groups, ends up being meaningless. The god Science is all and will be all.
 
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