Why you shouldn't withdraw financial support from the Church because of the crisis

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now, i did not mention the % of laity and religious also convicted but its sizeable

someone needs to screen volunteers, sack the not suitable and induct and educate the good ones, also requires money
 
then , my fellow parishioners, survivors of these heinous crimes, require ongoing care and help. also requires $$$$.
 
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No, I’m not proposing cutting off funds indefinitely, because that would beggar parishes that have made sincere reforms, or those that are genuinely unaffected.

But what I am suggesting is that funds be provided to parishes outside the channels that support bishops and the Vatican until they make sincere and meaningful efforts to address abuse.
 
Maybe sell off the many gilded assets of the church that aren’t needed, and which are an offence to the idea of a vow of poverty. The Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest institutions in the world.

Private individuals can also choose to fund survivors outside criminal and civil court sanctions imposed on the church.

And to your edit, that should absolutely NOT happen!
 
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Maybe sell off the many gilded assets of the church that aren’t needed, and which are an offence to the idea of a vow of poverty. The Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest institutions in the world.
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Oh, not this 1960s thinking “The Church is Too Rich” again. I thought we’d been through all that mindset and come out the other side into the sunlight.
 
and guess what, do you know whats happening in my parish, where some of this money is coming from?

The sale of church property. the sale of properties of deceased parishioners and clergy.

gilded assets as far as the gold used to hold the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus are not an offence to the idea of a vow of poverty

AND DIOCEAN PRIESTS DONT MAKE A VOW OF POVERTY
so most of these offenders did not have a vow of poverty.
 
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I’ll be curious to know if all this discussion actually resutls in a significant financial impact. At the Masses I have attended in the last couple weeks, I haven’t seen any visible impact on collection baskets. Of course much of the giving is done online now so the collection does not tell the whole story.
 
thats incredibly uncharitable, And tisbear has a point, most donating now is done electronically. The baskets are still handed around, but much is symbolic or gives the opportunity to ground children in giving, being charitable.
 
I think you’re conflating vows of poverty with incidence of abuse.

The Church is an immensely wealthy institution that has created multiple layers of trusts and civil protections to prevent against seizure of assets by civil authorities. The compensation paid to victims in these cases are often well below what is required for victims to actually achieve healing. In one neighbouring arvhdioscese, the Church is offering psychological counselling to victims at rates 15% of what the local college of psychologists authorizes. That’s an offence to the victims!!
 
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I wonder how many people with criminally convicted abusers in their parishes thought their parish was just fine. It’s all okay, until it isn’t, and it’s YOUR child at risk.
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Perhaps you could come to my diocese and run a survey , ask us. We lived it. we still live it.
 
Maybe I should. It sounds like your parish has sadly suffered a lot of problems, and additional transparency could help in restoring safety and security to a people who deserve a place to seek Jesus.
 
My reply is to the “I thought we were all past this” eye roll reply, which is objectively rude
 
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Guess who owns the assets, built up over centuries.

And let’s apply that to the secular world too.

My son’s primary school secular principal was convicted and sent to prison for paedophiles. A state run school, time to drain the state of its public school assets.
 
The financial obligations of a Church are different from secular or for profit institutions. Not at all a valid comparison.
 
The church is a charity, not a jobs program. Until the church take real action I will give nothing to it. This has been going on for decades and the church has placed a band aid on a gaping wound. I have seen the same reasoning for decades as to how the laity should react, from pray real hard, to you are we to question the leaders, to God will take care of it in the long run. Well I have had enough of it. These bishops need to be in jail. Same with the Priest. Why so many catholic are unwilling to demand the church leaders pay their temporal cost of their sins are beyond me to understand.
 
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The compensation paid to victims in these cases are often well below what is required for victims to actually achieve healing.
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Money doesn’t bring healing, it brings coping, stops people suiciding, becoming homeless, drowning in drug and alcohol addiction.
 
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How is what you’re suggesting logical or even possible? How could a person innocent of a crime be jailed by civil authorities? That’s obviously not what the poster said.
 
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