Why you shouldn't withdraw financial support from the Church because of the crisis

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so, “starving” the catholic priesthood, 99 or 98 or 93% of whom have NOTHING to do with abuse in any way, shape or form is the course your fine ship of war, USS Vengeance , is taking?
 
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Cutting off interim resources to church hierarchy until the church has the institutional will to fix the problem? Vetting individual parishes individually so that parishioners can be sure they’re donating to good priests? Yes to the above.

Good priests will expedite that process and encourage investigations knowing that it will lead to more trust and better future safeguards. We can’t afford to have abuse be an issue that crops up every decade and undermines the Church. The issue needs to be firmly and resolutely fixed. Now!
 
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I feel like they already are making efforts. Most of these abuse scandals are not from
Recent times and my diocese has an excellent safe environment Virtus training. Priests aren’t ever alone with minors either, so that’s another thing. Our Bishop has put out statements on the scandals and in my own parish I’ve heard apologies and mention of it in every homily since this has come out. I won’t stop contributing to my own parish.
 
If you feel your parish has thoroughly investigated its safety measures and priests, then by all means! I’d just caution you that your donations do still finance your archdioscese and the Vatican.
 
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not doing it; the Church still has HER Mission to accomplish; that takes $

the abusers belong in jail, the vast majority “good priests” deserve three square meals a day & a roof over their heads

and I (personally) prefer the parking lot “clear” the day after a snowstorm

you do what you like’ i am not punishing the the many for the sins of a very few perverts
 
I absolutely will not stop my contributions to my parish.

I am as sickened as anyone by what has happened but I find it extremely irresponsible and possibly sinful (?) to cut off the means of support to numerous people NOT involved in wrong-doing in order to spite people who will be unaffected or far less affected by it, anyway.
I feel the same way. I know from being on the finance committee where the money goes in my parish. If parishioners stop giving the only people who will suffer are the parishioners because eventually they will find themselves with a decrepit church and rectory and the bishop will find himself questioning whether to keep a priest here full-time or have one fly in for major feasts like Christmas and Easter like he already has to do for other communities.
 
Any money you hold back on, to your parish, your bishop, the vatican, is going to affect innocent people. Don’t forget the annual donations to the Vatican that the Pope uses exclusively for emergency disaster funds all over the world, and the money used for Africa, etc., same with the dioceses… people will suffer.
This is true when countries impose sanctions, as well. Do you believe it is the fault of America that people in North Korea are suffering, or the fault of Kim Jung Un?

Also, my money wouldn’t be staying in my pocket. It would be either (a) going to another worthy cause, or (b) going in escrow, so that I can immediately give it to the Church when repentance or clarity happens.
 
That’s not true. Money that goes to the Vatican is from annual special collections.
This is interesting, and I’d like to see it verified. If it is true, then the real boycott needs to be that none of us visit the Vatican or spend any money that ends up there.
 
Seems to me the Catholics who donate money to their parishes range from those who know that EVERYTHING they have in this world, including their very life, comes as a gift from God, and they willingly give of their time and treasure and talent to the church, without fanfare and without drawing attention to themselves…and at the other end of the spectrum are those who feel that they are self-made and they’ve determined that AFTER the bills are paid and their house looks good and their car is newer and their clothes are nice and the vacations are paid for and the college funds are squirrelled away…well, THEN they will find a little something to donate to the church as long as everyone can see them donate.

My guess is that many of those Catholics who will be decreasing or withholding their donations to the church fall closer to the second description within the spectrum.
 
This whole thread is about punishing innocent priests, bishops and parishioners for the sins of the guilty.
That is simply untrue. Do sanctions against foreign countries punish the innocent people for the sins of the guilty? Would sanctioning Nazi Germany be punishing ordinary Germans? No. It’s called “collateral damage”. And it is the fault of the unjust ruler, not the person imposing the sanctions.

I personally believe that only money that would otherwise be going to the guilty can morally be withheld. But if there is a TAX that will be taken by the guilty on the innocent, it is morally permissible not to give to the innocent – in order to put pressure on the guilty.
 
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We are not withdrawing, we are redirecting contributions that are assessed by the diocese.
There are waaaay more needs in the parish than we can meet anyway, so we are funding those until the Bishops as a whole reform themselves.
Folks, money and power are an integral part of this problem.
 
My guess is that many of those Catholics who will be decreasing or withholding their donations to the church fall closer to the second description within the spectrum.
I would expect you’re wrong about that, from my own personal knowledge of who among myself and my friends plans on doing this.
 
Why would we withhold financial support to the Church and weaken her in a time of trouble? Surely the Church doesn’t need to be told that the laity are unsettled by all these scandals?
Our Lord Jesus is the cornerstone of the Church and it’s rock solid.
 
Do sanctions against foreign countries punish the innocent people for the sins of the guilty? Would sanctioning Nazi Germany be punishing ordinary Germans?
Did you seriously just compare Holy Mother Church to Nazi Germany? Godwin’s Law in full effect.

Not even remotely comparable.
 
Did you seriously just compare Holy Mother Church to Nazi Germany? Godwin’s Law in full effect.

Not even remotely comparable.
It’s the principle, Tis. Whatever. Fill in whatever example you like. Did the Pope knowingly promote an abuser? That is the question. If he did, then he must take responsibility. Period. Mercy requires repentance.

Until an explanation, or repentance, happens, the Pope would be encouraging such a gigantic scandal emanating from the Bride of Christ that measures must be taken to pressure him. The faithful of the Church are not rotten to the core, but the College of Cardinals may be. Do you have faith in the College? Do you have any other ideas on how to pressure them to be faithful?
 
Why would we withhold financial support to the Church and weaken her in a time of trouble? Surely the Church doesn’t need to be told that the laity are unsettled by all these scandals?
In 2002, all these facts were the same, and the Church in America completely stonewalled any independent investigation. That cannot happen again.
 
Why would we withhold financial support to the Church and weaken her in a time of trouble? Surely the Church doesn’t need to be told that the laity are unsettled by all these scandals?
Our Lord Jesus is the cornerstone of the Church and it’s rock solid.
The strength of the Church is not money. The strength of the Church is faith in Christ.
We must be wise and prudent. I personally think it is prudent to contribute where the resources are best used. At this time, I personally don’t believe the bishops (generally speaking) are the most prudent of stewards.
There are many many needs in my parish. We will faithfully sacrifice to the best of our ability to meet those needs. When the hierarchy of the Church regains trust, then our focus may change.
 
If my dog keeps escaping from the garden I fix the fence I don’t stop feeding it.

I’m in the UK so I have little knowledge of your specific problems, but these issues are affecting the Church which is without borders of course.
 
If you’re in the US, you shouldn’t stop giving to the parish collection for example, but you can and should stop giving to any programs or fundraisers etc. started by the USCCB.

don’t give money to the USCCB until they clean their act up and repair necessary damage.
 
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