WhyMe and others: Can you Be Catholic and LDS at the same time?

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Holly3278 said:
No, you definitely cannot be Catholic and LDS at the same time. You can’t deny a dogma of the Catholic Church such as the Trinity and expect to still be considered a Catholic. And you can’t deny a Mormon dogma such as the “Godhead” and still be considered LDS. It’s really as simple as that. You’re either Catholic or you’re not. You’re either LDS or you’re not.

Also, to go to a Catholic Church and receive the Eucharist and go to confession on Saturday and then go to the LDS church and receive “communion” on Sunday is to be a cause of deep scandal.
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Okay here I go again: I do not have a mormon temple recommend. I do not pay tithing to the mormon church, I do not wear temple garments. I am not an active member of the lds church. Got it? Now on this forum I defend the lds church against mormon bashers and haters. I have never gotten into a doctrinal argument with any catholic on this forum and I mainly stick to defending mormonism. Got it? Yes, I do go to the mormon church after Mass but I do not attend all the meetings. I especially go if my daughters are there because I want to be with them on Sunday. Yes, I can take the mormon sacrament. So what? Will god condemn me for doing that? Pleeeze… Now to be honest, I am a sinner. I should not take any sacrament, mormon or catholic and on that I can be condemned. But I try to repent and so, maybe god will understand.

Any other problems??? 🙂
 
why_me said:
Okay here I go again: I do not have a mormon temple recommend. I do not pay tithing to the mormon church, I do not wear temple garments. I am not an active member of the lds church. Got it? Now on this forum I defend the lds church against mormon bashers and haters. I have never gotten into a doctrinal argument with any catholic on this forum and I mainly stick to defending mormonism. Got it? Yes, I do go to the mormon church after Mass but I do not attend all the meetings. I especially go if my daughters are there because I want to be with them on Sunday. Yes, I can take the mormon sacrament. So what? Will god condemn me for doing that? Pleeeze… Now to be honest, I am a sinner. I should not take any sacrament, mormon or catholic and on that I can be condemned. But I try to repent and so, maybe god will understand.

Any other problems??? 🙂
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why is your religion “LDS and Catholic”? what does that mean?
 
Religio71 said:
why is your religion “LDS and Catholic”? what does that mean?
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I feel like I am both. That is what it means. I have been lds from 18 to 50 years old. Also, like I said, I received a witness to the book of mormon. And I see nothing wrong with the lds faith. It is a good faith. Also, I defend the lds church against mormon haters and mormon bashers. The lds faith has not been proven false and its early beginnings are quite unique. And it can be defended against all opposition as I have been proving. My motto: let catholics be catholics and let mormons be mormons. And let both attempt to create heaven on earth by doing good.
 
why_me said:
I feel like I am both. That is what it means. I have been lds from 18 to 50 years old. Also, like I said, I received a witness to the book of mormon. And I see nothing wrong with the lds faith. It is a good faith. Also, I defend the lds church against mormon haters and mormon bashers. The lds faith has not been proven false and its early beginnings are quite unique. And it can be defended against all opposition as I have been proving. My motto: let catholics be catholics and let mormons be mormons. And let both attempt to create heaven on earth by doing good.
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So when you say “Okay here I go again: I do not have a mormon temple recommend. I do not pay tithing to the mormon church, I do not wear temple garments. I am not an active member of the lds church.” you mean that you don’t tithe or go to the temple, but you still believe it is divinely founded and has valid doctrines?

Question: do you believe that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones?

I actually don’t see anything unique about the founding of Mormonism. It beings with a “prophet”, which reminds me, off the top of my head, of Islam and the SDA church. While Hubbard of Scientology wasn’t called a prophet, he has many similarities with other “prophets” including having a special revelation, receiving new knowledge that can save everyone, and making new scriptures.
 
why_me said:
Okay here I go again: I do not have a mormon temple recommend. I do not pay tithing to the mormon church, I do not wear temple garments. I am not an active member of the lds church. Got it? Now on this forum I defend the lds church against mormon bashers and haters. I have never gotten into a doctrinal argument with any catholic on this forum and I mainly stick to defending mormonism. Got it? Yes, I do go to the mormon church after Mass but I do not attend all the meetings. I especially go if my daughters are there because I want to be with them on Sunday. Yes, I can take the mormon sacrament. So what? Will god condemn me for doing that? Pleeeze… Now to be honest, I am a sinner. I should not take any sacrament, mormon or catholic and on that I can be condemned. But I try to repent and so, maybe god will understand.

Any other problems??? 🙂
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Thank you Why Me. To be honest I wouldn’t mind being a Mormon and a Catholic at the same time, if I could work it out somehow. That is because there are a lot of things about the Catholic Church that I actually like. It would be like having dual citizenship. You can be a citizen of more than one country. You can be a British and American citizen, for example, and have a British and American Passport. Now you could always argue that that is impossible, because there is a conflict of interest between the two. Suppose there is a war between the two countries, where would your loyalty be! Well, I don’t know about that. What I know is that it is actually possible to have more than one citizenship. I think that being a Mormon and a Catholic is like that. I don’t see a big problem with it myself.
 
zerinus said:
Thanks for your comment, and no apologies required.

Most welcome and thenk you.
Don’t get me wrong; I am no authority in Mormonism. I just like to talk like one—pretend to be! 😃 I do however claim to be an authority on LDS doctrine. That is not because I hold any position of authority in the Church; but because every Mormon can and should be. That authority comes from studying the standard works, coupled with the witness of the Spirit which brings it all to life.
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zerinus said:
Thank you Why Me. To be honest I wouldn’t mind being a Mormon and a Catholic at the same time, if I could work it out somehow. That is because there are a lot of things about the Catholic Church that I actually like. It would be like having dual citizenship. You can be a citizen of more than one country. You can be a British and American citizen, for example, and have a British and American Passport. Now you could always argue that that is impossible, because there is a conflict of interest between the two. Suppose there is a war between the two countries, where would your loyalty be! Well, I don’t know about that. What I know is that it is actually possible to have more than one citizenship. I think that being a Mormon and a Catholic is like that. I don’t see a big problem with it myself.
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It becomes a problem with the dogmatists. Strange but a counselor in the Bishopric knows of my attendence at the catholic church and he doesn’t mind at all. I have said that if it wasn’t for my involvement with the catholic church I would have a much more lonely life. I have met so many wonderful people since my attendence at Mass. And my mormon friends don’t mind that I go to Mass. But catholics are a tad different. Now mind you, the catholics that I know don’t mind but the more dogmatic catholics can give a little hard time. But most people just live life and hope for the best. Some catholics that I know say that mormons are not christian and I have to educate them a little. But the nuns are my friends and a couple of priests too. I have done much to make catholics acquainted with the rosary since many did not know how to say it.

I have a child who is now a mormon missionary. I told her to tell people to be good in their faith if they are not interested in mormonism. Just encourgage people to be good catholics if they are catholics and speak of charity, kindness, empathy etc.

The thing is mormons can learn from some catholic saints like Saint Faustina and Saint Therese, the little flower. And Dorothy Day, although she is not a saint. They all set a good example and Therese had a special way to live and do life. And mother theresa had a special way called the gospel of five fingers. Catholics here can learn from her about love by example. And they could learn from mother cabrini who gave love to all people regardless of their religious faith.

And mormon authorities say wonderful things to about how to live and do life. I just read in the New Era about people who don’t have a testimony and what they should do. It was right on as young mormons shared their experiences with testimony.

And so by reading about the trials of saint faustina within her own community can be helpful because it shows how far even nuns can go from christ as they embrace judgementalism and being kind to enemies as Therese taught can be helpful to. It is not bad being both. 🙂
 
-LDS believe that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones, and that He has a spouse, the Heavenly Mother.
-Catholics cannot believe the above.

-Catholics believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are consubstantial.
-LDS do not believe the above.

-LDS believe that only the LDS Church has priesthood authority.
-Catholics do not believe the above.

-Catholics believe that only the Catholic Church has the fullness of Truth.
-LDS do not believe that.

-etc. etc.

No, I don’t see that being Mormon and Catholic is like dual citizenship, for the simple fact that we believe in theologies of God that are very different. Scientologists say you can be a Scientologist and whatever religion you are. Sure, until you start hearing about the past lives.
 
why_me said:
It becomes a problem with the dogmatists. Strange but a counselor in the Bishopric knows of my attendence at the catholic church and he doesn’t mind at all. I have said that if it wasn’t for my involvement with the catholic church I would have a much more lonely life. I have met so many wonderful people since my attendence at Mass. And my mormon friends don’t mind that I go to Mass. But catholics are a tad different. Now mind you, the catholics that I know don’t mind but the more dogmatic catholics can give a little hard time. But most people just live life and hope for the best. Some catholics that I know say that mormons are not christian and I have to educate them a little. But the nuns are my friends and a couple of priests too. I have done much to make catholics acquainted with the rosary since many did not know how to say it.

I have a child who is now a mormon missionary. I told her to tell people to be good in their faith if they are not interested in mormonism. Just encourgage people to be good catholics if they are catholics and speak of charity, kindness, empathy etc.

The thing is mormons can learn from some catholic saints like Saint Faustina and Saint Therese, the little flower. And Dorothy Day, although she is not a saint. They all set a good example and Therese had a special way to live and do life. And mother theresa had a special way called the gospel of five fingers. Catholics here can learn from her about love by example. And they could learn from mother cabrini who gave love to all people regardless of their religious faith.

And mormon authorities say wonderful things to about how to live and do life. I just read in the New Era about people who don’t have a testimony and what they should do. It was right on as young mormons shared their experiences with testimony.

And so by reading about the trials of saint faustina within her own community can be helpful because it shows how far even nuns can go from christ as they embrace judgementalism and being kind to enemies as Therese taught can be helpful to. It is not bad being both. 🙂
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what is a dogmatist?
 
Benadam said:
I grew up just a couple of miles away from the Temple in Mesa Az. If I remember correctly (The father of one of my childhood friends was Bishop of their Ward) There is a term of service and another member is elected to serve?
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If you are referring to the calling of a bishop, the answer is yes. As I had explained, a bishop serves for about four or five years, and then is released, and somebody else is appointed to succeed him. I have, however, known people who have been called to serve as bishop more than once, usually after the lapse of several years.
I think another secret to success for the Mormon Church is fidelity to tradition which requires structured worship. Many mainline protestant church’s are emptying because they have abandoned their traditions. Forgotten the wisdom that built them. Thanks for your reply and for being gracious.
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LDS Church services are actually quite simple, compared to the Catholic Mass for example. A much more important element in the success of Mormonism (apart from the priesthood element that I had mentioned) is the fact that it is run by the members themselves. Everyone has something to do, which makes them feel that they are making a contribution and doing something worthwhile, instead of just sitting in the pew and watching the show. They are running the show, not just watching it. Everyone can have the priesthood, and everyone can perform the sacraments, and everyone can have something useful to do. Everyone can be asked at any time to give a talk or preach a sermon. Even the sisters that cannot have the priesthood can have important callings and things to do. That is what makes them enthusiastic to come to Church on Sunday! This is another factor that makes Mormonism a success story.
 
zerinus said:
If you are referring to the calling of a bishop, the answer is yes. As I had explained, a bishop serves for about four or five years, and then is released, and somebody else is appointed to succeed him. I have, however, known people who have been called to serve as bishop more than once, usually after the lapse of several years.

LDS Church services are actually quite simple, compared to the Catholic Mass for example. A much more important element in the success of Mormonism (apart from the priesthood element that I had mentioned) is the fact that it is run by the members themselves. Everyone has something to do, which makes them feel that they are making a contribution and doing something worthwhile, instead of just sitting in the pew and watching the show. They are running the show, not just watching it. Everyone can have the priesthood, and everyone can perform the sacraments, and everyone can have something useful to do. Everyone can be asked at any time to give a talk or preach a sermon. Even the sisters that cannot have the priesthood can have important callings and things to do. That is what makes them enthusiastic to come to Church on Sunday! This is another factor that makes Mormonism a success story.
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This is frequently brought up by LDS, and it’s quite laughable if you think that Catholics are “just watching the show” and don’'t have a contribution.
 
Religio71 said:
This is frequently brought up by LDS, and it’s quite laughable if you think that Catholics are “just watching the show” and don’'t have a contribution.
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In Mormonism there is no distinction between the laity and the clergy, they are the same. That is a BIG difference.
 
zerinus said:
In Mormonism there is no distinction between the laity and the clergy, they are the same. That is a BIG difference.
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I’m not sure what you mean by distinction. In Mormonism, like Catholicism, only males hold both priesthoods. I’m not sure what you mean by “everyone can have the priesthood”. If you mean “every male has the potential to hold the priesthood”, then yes, that is true also in Catholicism. The Catholic priesthood is open to any male that wants it. When you say “everyone can perform the sacraments”, what do you mean by that? Mormons have “ordinances” not sacraments, and not all of them can be performed by everyone that holds the priesthood.

I do agree that for LDS, the bishop (equivalent of the priest in Catholicism) does not have any formal training as a leader of the ward. However, when you say “there is no distinction between laity and clergy” you have to clarify what you mean. There is firstly a distinction between women, who cannot hold the priesthood, and men, who can. There is a distinction between the offices within the priesthoods. And of course there are the General Authorities.

The things that you claim are factors in Mormonism’s success are also found in Catholicism. You say, “everyone has something to do”, and “even the sisters that cannot hold the priesthood can have important callings and things to do”. Hmm, that sounds just like a Catholic parish! In a Catholic parish (what LDS call a ward), the priests and deacons are NOT doing everything. Boys and young men (and sometimes females) are the altar servers during Mass and the Divine Liturgy. Young men, women, and adults are the lectors, reading from the Bible during Mass. There are ushers, helping people find their seats, giving out bulletins, helping with the collection, etc. The laity are the cantors or the choir. The laity are the teachers of religious education of all ages. The laity start Bible studies, prayer groups, pilgrimage groups, etc. The laity help deal with the financial issues of the parish. The laity help distribute the Eucharist, and sometimes take it to those that are unable to come to church. Who become deacons, priests, bishops, and religious? People from the laity. Etc. etc. Note that none of these people are paid. I think you’re making a distinction that really isn’t there. The difference I see between the LDS ward and the Catholic parish on these issues is that in the LDS ward, callings are given to people by the bishop and/or the counselors. In the Catholic parish, the people themselves volunteer for these services.
 
zerinus said:
A much more important element in the success of Mormonism (apart from the priesthood element that I had mentioned) is the fact that it is run by the members themselves. Everyone has something to do, which makes them feel that they are making a contribution and doing something worthwhile, instead of just sitting in the pew and watching the show. They are running the show, not just watching it.
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Obviously you have never been to a Catholic mass. At mass this past Sunday, besides the priest and the deacon celebrating the mass, there were:

2 lectors
1 cantor
15 choir members (not counting the pianist and the violininst)
6 altar servers
9 eucharistic ministers
4 ushers and
3 hospitality ministers

all contributing happily and enthusiastically to the beauty and holiness of the mass. That is far more people than participate in a LDS sacrament meeting.

Even those who are just attending don’t just “sit there and watch the show”. They are verbally responding to the priest, the lectors and the cantor, singing with the choir, standing kneeling and sitting, praying, reciting the creed and so much more.

Learn something about the RCC before you criticize it.
 
I actually went to St. Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC today after an interview. In addition to all of those things already mentioned, large basilicas and cathedrals also will have tour guides, people that care for flowers and the many side shrines, people at the information desk, etc. All laity, all volunteers.

Also, who do you think plays that wonderful organ music? That’s right, a lay musician.
 
PaulDupre said:
Obviously you have never been to a Catholic mass. At mass this past Sunday, besides the priest and the deacon celebrating the mass, there were:

2 lectors
1 cantor
15 choir members (not counting the pianist and the violininst)
6 altar servers
9 eucharistic ministers
4 ushers and
3 hospitality ministers

all contributing happily and enthusiastically to the beauty and holiness of the mass. That is far more people than participate in a LDS sacrament meeting.

Even those who are just attending don’t just “sit there and watch the show”. They are verbally responding to the priest, the lectors and the cantor, singing with the choir, standing kneeling and sitting, praying, reciting the creed and so much more.

Learn something about the RCC before you criticize it.
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If anything, there’s more sitting in the LDS sacrament meeting than at mass…😃

Joke.
 
Also, while we’re on the subject, there is another difference between a Catholic mass and an LDS sacrament meeting:

At a Catholic mass, the congregants are reverent (even the small children are remarkably reverent). Whereas at an LDS meeting the lack of reverence is deplorable. Any former Mormon can attest to this.

At the typical LDS ward on Sunday, during the sacrament meeting you will see:

the girls doing each others hair
kids eating cheerios and playing with toys and “busy books”
teenage girls and boys hanging all over each other in the pews, right in front of their parents, who don’t seem to mind.
people sleeping
people talking (loudly) throughout the meeting, ignoring the speakers
people chewing gum
etc…

The old joke goes “I was at the hockey game last night, when suddenly a Mormon sacrament meeting broke out!”
 
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