WhyMe and others: Can you Be Catholic and LDS at the same time?

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why_me said:
The lds are there for about 3 hours doing various functions. And mass can last only 40 minutes depending on the homily and especially during the week. Did you see my post above in blue lettering?
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Why me, you are being deceptive here. Not every LDS that goes to Sacrament Meeting, which lasts for 1 hour, stays for the rest. We may as well include parish council meetings, Sunday School, etc. in the Catholic time span. And we’re comparing Sunday services, LDS don’t have “daily sacrament meeting” like we have “daily mass”. And which “Mass” are you talking about? So I’ll say it again:

**The Mass of Paul VI (the “novus ordo”, the ordinary form, the Mass most in the USA are familiar with) usually lasts about 50-60 mins on Sundays. The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, found in the Eastern Catholic churches, usually lasts about 1hr and 20-30 mins or so. The Tridentine Mass (missa cantata) lasts a similar amount of time. **

I did see your post in blue. Luckily, Christ gave us His Church where we can understand the context of the Old and New Testaments. Otherwise, we can take it all out of context, and think, well, all everyone needs to do, no matter if they follow the Church He founded, is love and be merciful, and they are saved. This all makes sense if we remember that Jesus Christ is at the center of all of this, and so is His Body, the Church.
Comparatively, the Sacrament Meeting lasts 1 hour.
 
why_me said:
Go to the 7:30 in the morning mass during the week and you are out in 40 minutes.
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we’re comparing Sunday services. LDS don’t have daily Sacrament Meeting, so there is no equivalent to compare to. Sacrament Meeting lasts 1 hour, Mass, depending on which “version” you go to, lasts from 50-60 mins to 1.5 hours.
 
why_me said:
Neither are the beatutudes sola scriptura since letting our light shine entails good works. But some of the catholics here are too much into dogma and are perhaps forgetting the big picture.
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so basically…all you need is the Bible?
 
If you go to Sunday and daily Mass, you’ve got the 3 hour block beat by a long shot. lol. I go to church more than you do, so there! :p:p:p:p

Can this conversation get any more absurd?
 
RebeccaJ said:
If you go to Sunday and daily Mass, you’ve got the 3 hour block beat by a long shot. lol. I go to church more than you do, so there! :p:p:p:p

Can this conversation get any more absurd?
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Seriously, especially when he’s trying to compare things that aren’t comparative.
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

That is one the points I’m making: the news about the priest is a contradiction of the Church’s doctrine; it makes a nonsense of it. Hence my question about former Protestants not - it seems - being allowed the same liberty​

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what priest?
 
why_me said:
Go to the 7:30 in the morning mass during the week and you are out in 40 minutes. But now that I am thinking about it…if the mass starts at 10:45, the people are usually out in 45 to 50 minutes so the priest can get ready for the next mass that starts at 12.
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Not morning Mass before school, never out in 40 minutes sorry doesn’t match your fantasy. Though occasionally it is quick if there is a field trip or some other activity that starts early. Sunday Mass always takes a minimum of 2 hours. Arrive 1/2 hour 20 minutes before Mass, talk to those I work with in ministries, say hi to the kids I teach in CCD, talk to friends, help those with questions etc. No coffee/juice and donuts though, enter church spend some time in prayer preparing ourselves for the Mass,this is pretty much standard for those I see at Mass. Our Masses are not back to back and in between the narthex and circle in front are filled with people talking. After Mass agian fellowship but with a more reflective attitude and of course coffee, juice and donuts are okay now. This is not new, you talk of a change in our church, but this is the way Mass has been my entire life. It begins with fellowship, moves to reflective and prayerful preparation, culminates in the celebration of the Mass and winds down with reflection and fellowship. It is not 40 minutes.

I can keep talking after for quite sometime, so we are often there when the next Mass starts, one of my kids really loves the Mass and asks if we can stay for the next one, if my husband it there (rarely) beanie and I will stay for the next one while my husband goes and gets breakfast ready. This has sparked some interesting conversation about the readings and homily given that day.
 
Religio71 said:
I actually went to St. Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC today after an interview. In addition to all of those things already mentioned, large basilicas and cathedrals also will have tour guides, people that care for flowers and the many side shrines, people at the information desk, etc. All laity, all volunteers.

Also, who do you think plays that wonderful organ music? That’s right, a lay musician.
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In the town where I live there is a large cathedral (not Catholic); and I hear reports of all kinds of rivalries, jealousy, bitterness, infighting, jostling for position, elbowing each other out, to see who will get the best jobs; from the flower boy all the way up. Is that what it is like in you cathedrals as well?
 
You know whyme, from what I have seen from your posts, especially the last few, I have come to a realization. The concepts you portray do not seem catholic, apostolic tradition, or LDS, restorative, but in fact reformative - in other words, protestant. All we need is love for our neighbor, God just wants us to love and that’s all, God doesn’t care what we believe as long as we spreading love, all churches are the same it’s just important to love, let Catholics be Catholic and Mormons be Mormon and whoever be whomever; all concepts deep in protestant theology. All concepts with apostolic roots that have been cut away leaving the tree damaged. Just my thoughts. I don’t have the time to go back and quote everything now but I might if it is difficult for most people to see. Adios.
 
zerinus said:
In the town where I live there is a large cathedral (not Catholic); and I hear reports of all kinds of rivalries, jealousy, bitterness, infighting, jostling for position, elbowing each other out, to see who will get the best jobs; from the flower boy all the way up. Is that what it is like in you cathedrals as well?
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So…you’re citing a non-Catholic cathedral as evidence of…what?

There are always multiple people in the same position, rotating of course. And there’s always something to do in any parish, especially cathedrals and basilicas. Luckily we don’t need to be told what to do.
 
RebeccaJ said:
If you believe you have “nothing to do”, you need to learn your Catholic faith.
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Again, more evidence that the only exposure whyme has to the Catholic Church is what he reads on anti-Catholic websites. I don’t believe for one minute that he attends mass and hangs out with nuns and priests. He knows nothing about Catholicism.
 
Religio71 said:
Sorry zerinus, but your false view of latae sententiae excommunication is not supported by the Catholic Encyclopedia and my fellow Catholics, and I trust those opinions more than yours.
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Zerinus is merely imposing his own belief system and advocating it in place of Catholic Doctrine. He is hardly an authority on Catholic Doctrine. As such, his explanations are properly ignored.
 
PaulDupre said:
Obviously you have never been to a Catholic mass. At mass this past Sunday, besides the priest and the deacon celebrating the mass, there were:

2 lectors
1 cantor
15 choir members (not counting the pianist and the violininst)
6 altar servers
9 eucharistic ministers
4 ushers and
3 hospitality ministers

all contributing happily and enthusiastically to the beauty and holiness of the mass. That is far more people than participate in a LDS sacrament meeting.

Even those who are just attending don’t just “sit there and watch the show”. They are verbally responding to the priest, the lectors and the cantor, singing with the choir, standing kneeling and sitting, praying, reciting the creed and so much more.

Learn something about the RCC before you criticize it.
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Thank you Paul for your (name removed by moderator)ut. Those I am sure are all important callings, and they all render useful services in the Catholic Church. We have equivalents to them in the LDS Church, such as choristers, pianists, organist, ushers, greeters, class presidents etc. But in the LDS Church the kinds of services rendered by ordinary Church members are often priesthood oriented, and are ministerial in nature, and therefore render services at a more fundamental level. They are services directed as meeting the spiritual needs of the individual members. Starting from the bishop himself (who is also just an ordinary member of the ward), to his counselors, the various priesthood quorums, the Sunday school teachers, the stake presidency members and high council, all the way down to the humble home teacher and visiting teachers, are all designed to render service that are directed at meeting the spiritual needs of the Church members at a very basic level. It is geared towards “perfecting the saints”. It is calculated to make Latter-day Saints a better people. It is a different order of service from what you have described in the Catholic Church—honorable though that is in its own right.
 
Yes, all these things are called by us “ministries”. They are all overseen by the Pastor. “Pastor”, being a word derived from Latin, meaning “Shepherd”. It is all pointed toward The Shepherd, Jesus Christ.
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:
Church of the First Cylon, anyone ? 😉 If Starbuck’s is named after a character in “Battlestar Galactica”, does that make Starbuck’s a house of worship ?
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I thought Starbuck’s was named after a character in Moby Dick?
 
PaulDupre said:
Again, more evidence that the only exposure whyme has to the Catholic Church is what he reads on anti-Catholic websites. I don’t believe for one minute that he attends mass and hangs out with nuns and priests. He knows nothing about Catholicism.
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I don’t read anticatholic websites and if I did I could certainly cause problems here. There is nothing easier than to bash someone else’s religion since all faiths have imperfections in their history. The nuns I hang out with don’t bible bash or doctrine bash…they just do good through small and simple ways.
 
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