Wife has given up

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I would prefer this limbo to be over, but I know it is best not to rush my wife to do the divorce paperwork, as much as I wish she would move the process along. She is not talking about any other option right now. If she does change her mind, it will require work on her part to repair this terribly damaged marriage, work that she can only do if she chooses. In the meantime, I will focus on the kids and on work.

Styrgwillidar, I will remember your advise on asking for daily contact wit the kids. That will make my not living in our present home much easier.
 
I would prefer this limbo to be over, but I know it is best not to rush my wife to do the divorce paperwork, as much as I wish she would move the process along. She is not talking about any other option right now. If she does change her mind, it will require work on her part to repair this terribly damaged marriage, work that she can only do if she chooses. In the meantime, I will focus on the kids and on work.

Styrgwillidar, I will remember your advise on asking for daily contact wit the kids. That will make my not living in our present home much easier.
Hold fast and remain faithful. Purgatory is harder than any of the things in this life that make us into saints, if that is any consolation or encouragement. We will never find an easier way to belong to God entirely than to do it willingly, and as soon as possible.

Mostly, though, you are doing the right thing for those kids of yours. They need you, their father. That will be the easiest thing to remember, I think.
 
I would prefer this limbo to be over, but I know it is best not to rush my wife to do the divorce paperwork, as much as I wish she would move the process along. She is not talking about any other option right now. If she does change her mind, it will require work on her part to repair this terribly damaged marriage, work that she can only do if she chooses. In the meantime, I will focus on the kids and on work.

Styrgwillidar, I will remember your advise on asking for daily contact wit the kids. That will make my not living in our present home much easier.
I guess at this point you’ll just have to see what she does.
Shes probably not getting the divorce paper work because she still thinking things over.
 
Hold fast and remain faithful. Purgatory is harder than any of the things in this life that make us into saints, if that is any consolation or encouragement. We will never find an easier way to belong to God entirely than to do it willingly, and as soon as possible.

Mostly, though, you are doing the right thing for those kids of yours. They need you, their father. That will be the easiest thing to remember, I think.
So if she gets the paper work together and wants a divorce, are you saying he should say no?
 
I’m giving up on reconciliation. She again has told me she doesn’t love me anymore. This is no different than in April. After all these months she hasn’t changed her mind. I have to come to terms with a divorce. I can’t stay in a marriage where my wife has no interest in making it work. I’m trying to wait until the first of the year to move out. I’m debating whether I should buy a condo now, or just rent for a while. This means I would have to move twice. I could also stay in a furnished apartment. They are move expensive, but then I wouldn’t have to worry about moving twice. What’s hard is that I have no family in town to stay with. I could stay with friends, but I don’t want to wear out my welcome. I never thought I would have to make these kinds of choices. where to stay while I go through a divorce. This has been a horrible year, with my life and my future thrown up in the air. I’m in contact with one of our priests, and he is worried about my mental well being. So am I, that’s why it may be best to just move the divorce process along so I can get on with me life.
 
I’m giving up on reconciliation. She again has told me she doesn’t love me anymore. This is no different than in April. After all these months she hasn’t changed her mind. I have to come to terms with a divorce. I can’t stay in a marriage where my wife has no interest in making it work. I’m trying to wait until the first of the year to move out. I’m debating whether I should buy a condo now, or just rent for a while. This means I would have to move twice. I could also stay in a furnished apartment. They are move expensive, but then I wouldn’t have to worry about moving twice. What’s hard is that I have no family in town to stay with. I could stay with friends, but I don’t want to wear out my welcome. I never thought I would have to make these kinds of choices. where to stay while I go through a divorce. This has been a horrible year, with my life and my future thrown up in the air. I’m in contact with one of our priests, and he is worried about my mental well being. So am I, that’s why it may be best to just move the divorce process along so I can get on with me life.
God Bless you, I will pray for you and your wife.
 
Tucdoc,

One last time I’ll ask you to consider who is truly best for the kids. My wife said she wanted out because she’d lost feelings for me and didn’t love me anymore. Nothing specific that she was willing to say, no bad habits, annoyances, nothing beyond that. If your wife can lose feelings for you, than as much as she won’t want to admit it- she can lose feelings for and distance herself from the kids. Believe me, been there, done that, have the T-shirt and am seeing the pain that my children are going through every day. Hard to hear your kids crying that they miss having a mother. Not that they miss **THEIR **mom, but that they missing having **A **mother. They understood before I did that my wife’s feelings from them were dissipating and everything she has done since separation has emphasized that to them. Even with me providing child support so can do things with them, even with me allowing access to them in my home every morning, even with me allowing her to ‘hang out’ with them in my home and leaving so they/she can visit/talk freely. And they are feeling more and more detached and distant from her as time goes on, after just 8 months.

If you’ve decided that it is better for the kids that you move out instead of your wife, you need to get a legal separation agreement FIRST. Not later, NOW. Once you are out, she has all the leverage and can easily take advantage of you. If your wife wants this than she needs to provide you in writing in a legally binding agreement exactly how this will work. . Guarantee your kids will have a father in their lives- this is critical. Kids raised in single parent homes have much higher rates of promiscuity, drug and alcohol abuse, emotional and sexual abuse- even when corrected for income level, parent education and location. It’s up to you to ensure that your kids will have a good relationship with you.

Keep praying, God will strengthen you. I know he has strengthened me, I will pray particularly that you are guided to do what is best for your children.

I
 
TucDoc,

This prayer has helped me immeasurably. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in deciding what your special intention for the prayer will be. Consider praying it daily:

NOVENA OF CONFIDENCE TO THE SACRED HEART

O Lord Jesus Christ,
To your most Sacred Heart,
I confide this intention:

(mention your intention )

Only look upon me, And then do
What your Sacred Heart inspires.

Let your Sacred Heart decide…
I count on it, I trust in it…
I throw myself on Your mercy,
Lord Jesus!
You will not fail me.

Sacred Heart of Jesus,
I trust in You.
Sacred Heart of Jesus,
I believe in Your love for me.
Sacred Heart of Jesus,
Your Kingdom come.
O Sacred Heart of Jesus,
I have asked you for many favors,
But I earnestly implore this one.
Take it.

Place it in Your open, broken Heart;
And, when the Eternal Father looks upon it,
Covered with Your Precious Blood,
He will not refuse it.

It will be no longer my prayer,
But Yours, O Jesus.
O Sacred Heart of Jesus,
I place all my trust in You.

Let me not be disappointed.

Amen.
 
TucDoc,

Please remain where you are for the time being. If there is an additional room you can use for the meantime, that would be better until everything is worked out. Also, do not do anything about your living arrangements except under your lawyer’s advice. If the court determines you are more able at this time to provide your children with the environment they need, then you would need to stay in the house while she would need some kind of apartment. (If the court finds you to be the preferred primary custodian at this time, you can arrange for your wife to live in a furnished apartment until she meets whatever conditions for a switch. Then you could live in the apartment until you find a permanent residence. Again, under advice of your lawyer.)

Remember, your kids will probably have a say in the court (sometimes they even have their own lawyer :eek: ). Also remember, your wife wants to pull them out of Catholic school. If you’re out, you lose all practical say in their education - so put their education in any agreement.
 
I’m giving up on reconciliation. She again has told me she doesn’t love me anymore. This is no different than in April. After all these months she hasn’t changed her mind. I have to come to terms with a divorce. I can’t stay in a marriage where my wife has no interest in making it work. I’m trying to wait until the first of the year to move out. I’m debating whether I should buy a condo now, or just rent for a while. This means I would have to move twice. I could also stay in a furnished apartment. They are move expensive, but then I wouldn’t have to worry about moving twice. What’s hard is that I have no family in town to stay with. I could stay with friends, but I don’t want to wear out my welcome. I never thought I would have to make these kinds of choices. where to stay while I go through a divorce. This has been a horrible year, with my life and my future thrown up in the air. I’m in contact with one of our priests, and he is worried about my mental well being. So am I, that’s why it may be best to just move the divorce process along so I can get on with me life.
You can’t just get on with your life. Divorce makes nothing better, it just makes everything harder. I mean, of course if there is abuse, drug use, infidelity, then one has little choice, but please don’t fall into the line of thinking that gives in - pray some more when you think you can’t stand one more minute, and STAY PUT! Your kids will see you as deserting them if you leave, even if they understand on one level, you just won’t be there! Is there some way you can have a separate bedroom, and work out a cordial arrangement with your wife? She hasn’t actually asked you to leave yet has she? Do you have a lawyer? Get one! and get a divorce lawyer who specializes in father’s rights (male). Do not give ONE INCH of your territory away - however tempting it might be to just give in and have some distance from all the pain. Be strong for your kids! You are getting some wonderful, boots-on-the-ground advice from styrgwillidar, and I do not have that direct experience, but I can tell you that my husband has never ever gotten over his parents’ divorce when he was about 13. He prayed and prayed that they would not divorce and even asked God to send him to hell instead of them! Yet they did divorce and at that point he began cutting God out of his life and doing it all himself. He has a lot of stuff he needs to look at and since he didn’t have an earthly father to help him, he has a hard time connecting with our sons in a meaningful way.

Divorce has long-lasting effects, and it continues on into the next generation. This is serious stuff.

If there is any possible way that you can stay there, please find out how. Get that lawyer, do not move out yet, we are praying along with you that something will change on your wife’s part. It must be so painful to harden her heart like that. I am praying for you, please don’t leave.
 
I’m giving up on reconciliation. She again has told me she doesn’t love me anymore. This is no different than in April. After all these months she hasn’t changed her mind. I have to come to terms with a divorce. I can’t stay in a marriage where my wife has no interest in making it work. I’m trying to wait until the first of the year to move out. I’m debating whether I should buy a condo now, or just rent for a while. This means I would have to move twice. I could also stay in a furnished apartment. They are move expensive, but then I wouldn’t have to worry about moving twice. What’s hard is that I have no family in town to stay with. I could stay with friends, but I don’t want to wear out my welcome. I never thought I would have to make these kinds of choices. where to stay while I go through a divorce. This has been a horrible year, with my life and my future thrown up in the air. I’m in contact with one of our priests, and he is worried about my mental well being. So am I, that’s why it may be best to just move the divorce process along so I can get on with me life.
Not so fast. Unless you know your wife has committed adultery, please be very certain that you are not giving up prematurely on a marriage to which you have bound yourself for life. Whether you or your wife chooses to honor that bond or not, the bond endures.

I am very sorry for the terrible time your wife is putting you through, I would not wish it on an enemy, I want to do what I can to support you, but you may not simply choose to ignore the existence of a promise you made before God in order to “get on with your life.”

Under Canon Law, you are obliged by your marriage vows to stay, if you can stay, excepting grave reasons. In spite of prevailing attitudes and legal structures that work towards obscuring that fact, that has not changed since “no-fault” divorce came into vogue.
Can. 1141 A marriage that is ratum et consummatum can be dissolved by no human power and by no cause, except death.
SEPARATION WITH THE BOND REMAINING
Can. 1151 Spouses have the duty and right to preserve conjugal living unless a legitimate cause excuses them.
Can. 1152 §1. Although it is earnestly recommended that a spouse, moved by Christian charity and concerned for the good of the family, not refuse forgiveness to an adulterous partner and not disrupt conjugal life, nevertheless, if the spouse did not condone the fault of the other expressly or tacitly, the spouse has the right to sever conjugal living unless the spouse consented to the adultery, gave cause for it, or also committed adultery.
§2. Tacit condonation exists if the innocent spouse has had marital relations voluntarily with the other spouse after having become certain of the adultery. It is presumed, moreover, if the spouse observed conjugal living for six months and did not make recourse to the ecclesiastical or civil authority.
§3. If the innocent spouse has severed conjugal living voluntarily, the spouse is to introduce a cause for separation within six months to the competent ecclesiastical authority which, after having investigated all the circumstances, is to consider carefully whether the innocent spouse can be moved to forgive the fault and not to prolong the separation permanently.
Can. 1153 §1. If either of the spouses causes grave mental or physical danger to the other spouse or to the offspring or otherwise renders common life too difficult, that spouse gives the other a legitimate cause for leaving, either by decree of the local ordinary or even on his or her own authority if there is danger in delay.
§2. In all cases, when the cause for the separation ceases, conjugal living must be restored unless ecclesiastical authority has established otherwise.
Can. 1154 After the separation of the spouses has taken place, the adequate support and education of the children must always be suitably provided.
Can. 1155 The innocent spouse laudably can readmit the other spouse to conjugal life; in this case the innocent spouse renounces the right to separate.
"*Brothers, even if a person is caught in some transgression, you who are spiritual should correct that one in a gentle spirit, looking to yourself, so that you also may not be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and so you will fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he is deluding himself. Each one must examine his own work, and then he will have reason to boast with regard to himself alone, and not with regard to someone else; for each will bear his own load.

One who is being instructed in the word should share all good things with his instructor. Make no mistake: God is not mocked, for a person will reap only what he sows, because the one who sows for his flesh will reap corruption from the flesh, but the one who sows for the spirit will reap eternal life from the spirit. Let us not grow tired of doing good, for in due time we shall reap our harvest, if we do not give up. So then, while we have the opportunity, let us do good to all, but especially to those who belong to the family of the faith*." Gal. 6:1-10

I am not here to judge you, but to encourage you to fight the good fight for as long as it is in your power to fight it. If you fall, ask for forgiveness, do penace, and then fight on, knowing that God forgives the contrite. He will not fail to reward the steadfast. You will not go without your reward, but will shine among the just when the truths of this life are all laid bare.
 
<<< After all these months >>>
My prayer will be that the merciful, faithful, patient, living Lord Jesus reveal in your heart just how long suffering He’s been and is being with you. I’ve made no secret of the fact that I believe your wife to be a self worshiping child with little regard for anything beyond her infantile self serving schemes.

However, if “all these months… since April” is all you have for her and more importantly your covenant before an all holy almighty God then SHE may be better off without YOU.

I mean this as no condemnation friend, but you better pray He doesn’t deal with you in the same spirit you’re dealing with her. We are commanded to love our lives like Christ loves the church (Ephesians 5). If He loves like you’re loving her then eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die.
 
Tucdoc and Tribulus

Tucdoc has his whole life to give to her. That’s what he wants to give to her- desperately, unhesitatingly. His committment to her in all this hasn’t dissipated an iota. That’s his frustration- he is as committed and loving as he has ever been, this is not a situation he wants or desires. He’s trying to figure out how he can still give her the rest of his life. Not just a few months, not just the months since April, not all of the past he has already devoted to her. HE WANTS TO GIVE HER HIS ALL!

The issue is- his wife doesn’t want that. His wife wants to hang with other folks, not him. His wife is rejecting all of his attempts to reach out to her, to continue giving to her, to remain connected to her. She is refusing to give any of herself to him. She is pushing away all his attempts to continue to share with her.
Yes, I would hope Christ will treat me just the way Tucdoc has been treating his wife. Making all the attempts He can to shower His love on me, to share Himself with me. But just as I a sinner can reject everything Christ can offer- Tucdocs wife can reject all of his efforts. God gave us free will.

At some point, just as in the parable of the prodigal son, God grants us our wish as sinners to choose to leave him. The father in the parable does not force his son to stay, he even shares his wealth before his son leaves. But the father in the parable welcomes his son back when he returns. That may be the best Tucdoc can do, allow his wife to exercise her free will but be open to receiving her back in the future.

As a practical matter though, his wife’s decision also affects the children and Tucdoc has an obligation to do his best to keep his children from being led astray.
 
I am very familiar with marriages that are in the situation my marriage is in: unloving, unaffectionate. They eventually result in infidelity. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. I would rather divorce than be unfaithful to my wife. Presently our marriage is empty, but it would be a complete sham if infidelity creeps in. I cannot change my wife’s mind, she is convinced that I am the cause of her unhappines, which is why she wants me out of the house. I will wait until we start divorce proceeding before moving out, and only after I have discussed this with my lawyer.
 
Why would you have sex with another woman if you’re married, but not if you’re divorced? Why will being divorced strengthen your ability to resist temptation?
 
TucDoc,

It sounds like you’re ready to give up on your marriage. That’s completely understandable; I’m sure any of us would feel the same way. Your wife’s rejection is emotionally devastating, so it’s no wonder that you want out of the house and out of the marriage.

There’s no doubt that this has affected you to the core: how you think and feel about yourself, and who you are as a person. Because you are at a low point emotionally, you might be tempted in these ways:
  1. It’s common for people experiencing rejection to believe that God is rejecting them, too. It’s not true; this is a temptation. Do you really believe in God’s love for you? Do you feel God’s love for you? If not, you need to focus on the Bible verses that speak of God’s immense love for each of us. Go to Mass, confession, and Eucharistic Adoration often. Doing so will heal your heart and strengthen your spirit.
  2. Naturally, you’re angry with your wife. Pray that Our Lord will give you the grace to forgive, as He did from the cross. (First, pray for the grace to even WANT to forgive). You now have the unenviable position that Our Lord had on the cross: to love someone who is rejecting you. It’s a case of unrequited love. God will bless you immeasurably for every ounce of patience and charity that you offer your wife (in whatever form that is). God knows.
  3. You might be tempted to actually believe that your children don’t need you that much, or that they might even be better off without you. That is a lie. Your kids need you more than you can comprehend. Even though you’re not perfect (who is?), you’re their Daddy! Their hearts will be hurting forever if you make the first move towards a divorce. Remember, there is still hope. The divorce may not happen if you don’t make the first move. Divorce in your situation may not be God’s will, and you need to seek His will above all things. GOD’S PLAN AND GOD’S LOVE ARE PERFECT. You can make your plans, but God’s are better, so you’d better figure out what He wants for your life. He knows you better than you know yourself. If you genuinely seek to put Him first and follow His will, you will find the ultimate happiness and true joy. Trust in His love and goodness.
  4. You might be tempted to feel and act morally superior to your wife. Try to see her as WOUNDED. (She was severely wounded by growing up in an alcoholic family, and she is dealing with major unresolved grief issues regarding her mother’s death). Yes, you have certainly been wounded by her. Try to rise above the situation. A wounded wild animal cannot trust and show affection to a human as a favorite pet can. The wounded animal can only lash out. That’s what your wife is doing. She is lashing out at you because of her psychological pain from a terrible childhood, grieving for her mother, and probably guilt. You have acknowledged that you’ve caused her pain, but you’ve done all in your power to apologize and try to heal her hurts (right?). Although HER heart has hardened, she’s still wounded. It will help you to at least tolerate the marriage for a little longer if you can make your wife’s name synonymous with “wounded.” That way, you can pity her instead of being hurt by her. This might seem impossible, but if you’re open and willing, God will help you.
We’re still praying for you!
 
It’s not just about sex, it’s about companionship. I miss the women who enjoyed my company. This woman wants me out of her life. She rejects me every time she doesn’t allow me to kiss her good-bye. This is not good for the kids. My daughter asked why I was so “touchy” with her because I hugged her last night and kissed her head. They are growing up in a home that doesn’t show affection. I already mentioned to my son this weekend that I might have to move out and that it is possible we might divorce. He was quiet, didn’t really respond. I assured him this has nothing to do with them, they had not part in it and really couldn’t do anything to change it. I gave him a big hug and told him that I love him.

How can my wife let the marriage die, knowing how the kids will be affected? I asked her to try marriage counseling for the kids sake, but she again refused. She is so selfish. Yes, I know she is hurt, but she refuses to let go of the hurt. She blames me for making her the way she is. She has chosen to respond this way and chosen to not love me, but she refuses to believe she has any responsibility.

I can’t stay in a marriage where I’m the only one trying to make things work. I hope the kids will see that a marriage takes two people and is doomed when one person gives up. Yes, they will need therapy. My therapist also does family counseling. In due time, they will see her too.
 
As a practical matter though, his wife’s decision also affects the children and Tucdoc has an obligation to do his best to keep his children from being led astray.
This should be Tucdoc’s primary focus.

Also, Tucdoc, read Hosea and his unfaithful wife Gomer. There’s a lot in that story that parallel’s your story.

And don’t move out!! If she wants a divorce, let her move out. Ask your lawyer about this, but my understanding is moving out can have legal ramifications.
 
Tucdoc, your situation with the kids raises this question: maybe you should insist to stay in your house and get custody of your children. Your wife is a bad influence and risks seriously messing up your kids. Your kids would probably be better off staying with you, if the two of you separate/divorce.
 
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