Wife is OBESE

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I’m going to be charitable here & assume you are sincere. This is my 2 cents worth as a former “obese wife”. First of all, lay off your wife- period. If you can’t say something nice, say nothing - from your post, I can see you can think of nice things, even now- you love her, she’s a good mother, etc. I’m sure you can also think of something nice to say about her appearance, too- her eyes haven’t changed, have they? There must be something she wears that looks nicer than other things (“I love that sweater on you, honey”). Second of all, get some Christian counseling. Your feelings & concerns are understandable, but you cannot** express these to your wife & you must be able to let them out. The posters who say she will have to do this for herself are right- all you can do is to encourage her- notby buying exercise equipment & gym memberships, but by making her feelloved. Third, pray for her & for your marriage. Fourth, do what you can to alleviate her stress- does she have any time to herself? Is she overwhelmed? She may need time to put her feet up & read a book before she can take the time to exercise.
Hope this helps- praying for you both!
 
We had some good years but now I am about to walk out. I dont deserve this I did not marry a beast. She does NOT have a thyroid problem or a hormonal disorder because I made her have a complete workup in October and the doctor said she’s fine but has high blood pressure and needs to lose weight. That was when she was 190 and I bet she has packed on even more since then because obviously she does not even care about herself or about how I feel to be seen with this person in public. Like, I’ve taken care of myself and worked hard and here I am just married to this massive beast of a woman.
A few thoughts.

First, you can’t change other people, you can only change yourself. Perhaps the real problem is not your wife’s weight, but your attitude towards larger women. Maybe you need to learn to appreciate the fuller figure – there are lots of examples of sexy, larger women. Queen Latifa springs to mind.

Also, you seem to want your wife to lose weight not because it is what is best for her, but for your own selfish reasons. A thin wife is not an entitlement, and treating it as such is effectively turning her into a commodity. Can you not see how dehumanizing this is?

Finally, you strike me as being very controlling of your wife, and I find this both unhealthy and alarming. In fact, I might go so far as to suggest that your treatment of your wife may be borderline emotionally abusive.
 
I’m going to be charitable here & assume you are sincere. This is my 2 cents worth as a former “obese wife”. First of all, lay off your wife- period. If you can’t say something nice, say nothing - from your post, I can see you can think of nice things, even now- you love her, she’s a good mother, etc. I’m sure you can also think of something nice to say about her appearance, too- her eyes haven’t changed, have they? There must be something she wears that looks nicer than other things (“I love that sweater on you, honey”). Second of all, get some Christian counseling. Your feelings & concerns are understandable, but you cannot** express these to your wife & you must be able to let them out. The posters who say she will have to do this for herself are right- all you can do is to encourage her- notby buying exercise equipment & gym memberships, but by making her feelloved. Third, pray for her & for your marriage. Fourth, do what you can to alleviate her stress- does she have any time to herself? Is she overwhelmed? She may need time to put her feet up & read a book before she can take the time to exercise.
Hope this helps- praying for you both!
Well see that’s the thing I don’t get. WHY can’t I be honest with her? She certainly has no problem nagging on me when I’m late home from work (making money for our family),don’t take out the trash, etc. I think if I don’t tell her how much it bothers me she won’t get it. She will think I’m fine with her size and I am not. She does plenty of stuff for herself. I pay for manicures every week, magazine subscriptions, fancy hair salon, shes in a ladies book (really wine) club, she goes on any church retreat she wants, buys whatever she wants, and last year I paid for her and two friends to go on a five day cruise alone! I paid for all three for her birthday so she could get a break. She plays bunco and goes to all those Tupperware parties. Trust me this is not an overworked woman I told her that if she went to the gym at night I’d make dinner, clean it all up and get the house in order. She is a good mom but trust me she has everything she wants and plenty of free time now that our kids are older. I don’t have many demands I am fine eating a frozen dinner and I don’t expect the house to be perfect I just want a wife I can be proud of and attracted to.
 
Well I will ignore those who called me a bad husband and a jerk.

I was embarassed for her because it was like a joke with her being so huge. What man finds that sexy. I told her “honey, it would be sexier if you’d lose some weight and just stand there naked versus trying to do this.” I know, rude. But what would you do if your wife did a striptease for you but all you could see were** rolls, dimples and chub** - a barrel where her nice waist used to be and two watermellons for a bosom? Come on I can only be pushed so far.

I did not mean my wife was a beast Im sorry I said that I am just frustrated because I wish she would just try. Even just for me. If she was thinner and told me she wised I would cover up the grays that are starting to show in my hair I would do it in a heartbeat.

Thanks for your help. Very fristrated.
You can ignore the people that said you were a jerk, but that doesn’t change the fact, not at all.

Why should she loose weight? For you? The one that thinks she is a beast? Or the one that wants her to “just stand there naked?”
 
Well see that’s the thing I don’t get. WHY can’t I be honest with her? She certainly has no problem nagging on me when I’m late home from work (making money for our family),don’t take out the trash, etc. I think if I don’t tell her how much it bothers me she won’t get it. She will think I’m fine with her size and I am not. She does plenty of stuff for herself. I pay for manicures every week, magazine subscriptions, fancy hair salon, shes in a ladies book (really wine) club, she goes on any church retreat she wants, buys whatever she wants, and last year I paid for her and two friends to go on a five day cruise alone! I paid for all three for her birthday so she could get a break. She plays bunco and goes to all those Tupperware parties. Trust me this is not an overworked woman I told her that if she went to the gym at night I’d make dinner, clean it all up and get the house in order. She is a good mom but trust me she has everything she wants and plenty of free time now that our kids are older. I don’t have many demands I am fine eating a frozen dinner and I don’t expect the house to be perfect I just want a wife I can be proud of and attracted to.
Keep trollin, trollin, trollin’ bud.

Look, had you come in here and spoken with more charity towards the woman that you pledged your life to, I’d have far more sympathy. I’m actually of the mind that yes, we do have a responsibility to be healthy and relatively fit. Not just for our spouses but for God. Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and we have a responsibility to treat them well. That doesn’t mean we all have to be supermodels, but we need to do what we can, within reason, to keep ourselves healthy. That includes eating in moderation and exercising.

When it comes to our intimate lives I think spouses really should do what they can, again within reason, to stay or become physically attractive. Eventually age catches up to us and if we’re blessed to live to be 100 none of us are going to be particularly sexy. So what? That’s part of life. In the interim, let’s do what we can to keep ourselves looking and feeling as healthy, strong and yes, attractive as possible.

Becoming obese for really no reason save for laziness and gluttony is, in my opinion, quite sinful. Of course, we just have your word here. Most people who become obese use food as a drug to self-medicate mental or spiritual health problems. They’re not just lazy people. And sometimes they try to spin themselves out of that cycle by saying “there’s nothing wrong with being extremely overweight! I like it!” That’s a defense mechanism to cover up deeper shame.

So the bottom line is that there is a nugget of truth to what you say but it’s totally obfuscated by your uncharitable tone. Spouses should indeed strive to be attractive to their mates both physically and spiritually (HINT HINT).

I’m sure there are decent ways to go about this and first and foremost would be to express concern about her health. Honestly, that should be your biggest concern anyway, not that she looks fat and you’re embarrassed. You should be worried that she has a mental health issue being medicated by food and/or that her eating and lethargy is contributing to a physical problem. But instead it’s all about “me, me, me” and that’s worse than her not caring about how attractive you find her.
 
Wow.

MushroomMan my friend…you have cajones to post this, especially on CAF where men are in the minority and it is based in the good ol’ McDonalds lovin U.S.A.

That being said…

To all the offended people:

At least recognize the typical pattern on the CAF ‘whining about my husband’ topics.

Dear CAF…my husband became a drunk, etc… He wasn’t like that when we got married. What do I do?

Dear wife of alcoholic…You need to leave! You need to stand up for yourself! You poor thing…I’ll pray for you! OMG what about the children?!?, etc, etc, etc.

It is only the rare response to this situation that actually touches on the proper catholic teaching. Some of you have done so in this case. You are correct in doing so.

To MushroomMan:

Suck it up. Be patient. This is the ‘for worse’ part. Keep yourself in good shape and don’t make a big deal out of it. Having you acting as a kind of mirror for what you want your wife to be again is de-moralizing to your wife. Its like rubbing salt in the wound, so keep it to yourself as much as you can. Your actions and words in dealing with this CAN help, but will for sure hurt (and hurt forever) if they are the wrong actions and words. Apologize to her for any real or imagined hurt, and do it right away.

I feel your pain, brother. To all the harsh responders…it is real pain. Don’t just sweep this dude under the rug because of the blunt feelings.

I’ll pray for you!
 
Well see that’s the thing I don’t get. WHY can’t I be honest with her? She certainly has no problem nagging on me when I’m late home from work (making money for our family),don’t take out the trash, etc. I think if I don’t tell her how much it bothers me she won’t get it. She will think I’m fine with her size and I am not. She does plenty of stuff for herself. I pay for manicures every week, magazine subscriptions, fancy hair salon, shes in a ladies book (really wine) club, she goes on any church retreat she wants, buys whatever she wants, and last year I paid for her and two friends to go on a five day cruise alone! I paid for all three for her birthday so she could get a break. She plays bunco and goes to all those Tupperware parties. Trust me this is not an overworked woman I told her that if she went to the gym at night I’d make dinner, clean it all up and get the house in order. She is a good mom but trust me she has everything she wants and plenty of free time now that our kids are older. I don’t have many demands I am fine eating a frozen dinner and I don’t expect the house to be perfect I just want a wife I can be proud of and attracted to.
You have a point- it's not okay for her to nag you, either. But this is why I think you need some counseling on this- two wrongs won't make it right. I'm glad to hear you are so supportive in other ways- that she has free time & fun time. And I'll bet she already knows how you feel, so telling her again won't help. Maybe start out with counseling just for you & then maybe marriage counseling? I don't know- my situation was different- he was completely unsupportive in every way & verbally abusive too. Pray, pray, pray.
 
Well I will ignore those who called me a bad husband and a jerk. I have worked hard to stay fit and attractive in every way that is reasonable and i expect my wife to do the same. I would not ask her to get plastic surgery or anything but now she will need it if she ever slims down. I do want her to be healthy this is just ridiculous though. No man wants to take his wife shopping at the special obese lady store because se can’t wear normal clothes just like no wife wants to buy from the Big and Fat mens boutique for her big fat husband!

The thing is a lot of you havesaid she must hate being fat and get depressed about it. I do not think this is true at all because she makes not even tiny efforts to change. She wont even switch to diet cokes or go with me on a walk trust me I have tried that! She says shes happy and I should learn to be to. She wants sex with me! She buys lingerie from the special store and last Vday she planned a striptease for me. I was embarassed for her because it was like a joke with her being so huge. What man finds that sexy. I told her “honey, it would be sexier if you’d lose some weight and just stand there naked versus trying to do this.” I know, rude. But what would you do if your wife did a striptease for you but all you could see were rolls, dimples and chub - a barrel where her nice waist used to be and two watermellons for a bosom? Come on I can only be pushed so far.

I do care about my wifes health and have offered her to go to a counselor at church or a professional to see what can we do. She says she does not need that. I would literally do anything for this woman to see her take some pride in her appearance but its like she doesnt care. She is a member of a “fat acceptance” website and says shes not necessarily unhealthy because of her “CURVES!” Beyonce has curves! My wife is more the size of a Rosanne Bar.
The two of you need marriage counseling. That is the only loving thing and reasonable thing I’ve heard you say yet. There are clearly issues here involving expectations, involving communication – both of which relate to passion and affection, and (therefore) to the health of a marriage. In counseling, you will discover how to respect her, because any decent MFCC will point out any lack of respect, mutually. The counselor will show you (both of you) what you value, by how you speak to each other and about each other. (You present it as if “she” needs it; right there is an indication of how much you need it as well.)

Your OP and your second response demonstrates the typical pattern of why couples in situations of impasse need counseling: one person is giving a distorted version of the story. You paint yourself to be a reasonable, caring husband who “naturally” doesn’t want this and that, and who describes his wife in sometimes grotesque terms. So (while looking around for a high-quality marriage counselor), you should purchase some of those trashy issues of “Star” magazine at the grocery store checkout line. They often have “tell-all” photos of actresses and other celebrities not In Their Finest – specifically with :eek: --need I say the word-- cellulite. (Forgive me, God; surely cellulite horrifies you; you, God, must despise the very aging process which you put into place as a FACT OF LIFE.)

These famous actresses have cellulite on their butts, thighs, knees, wherever. You just don’t see that in the photoshopped pics on magazine covers. And you just don’t happen to know that virtually all actresses at the Oscars walk down those red carpets with special squeezing underwear that flattens tummies, midriffs, and thighs. Plastic surgery? You disparagingly refer to your wife who will supposedly need that? Many actresses have had the same, and not just on their faces but all over, and do so regularly. In order to maintain their attractive public exteriors, they need to spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours maintaining a facade so that they will continue to be marketable to the public and to their producers and directors.

The gym and diets aside, the aging process marches on against time, even for those with abundant discipline and money, and is a universal absolute, progressing eventually toward death. Wait: I guess you have no Love Handles :o. You must have Washboard Abs.

A little more on the differences between men and women. Genetically, men are not nearly as prone to the “sag” effect of weight gain, and gain more easily restore a look of muscle and tightness because of their hormones and skin cell makeup which are programmed for tightness, as long as men don’t completely let themselves go. There’s a reason for that: it’s evolutionary. Males have needed physical strength for the physical tasks associated with hunting, building, defending, and more; therefore, God designed their bodies in a certain way. Women, even rich, famous women, will generally have a tendency toward softness of body, which also fits with an evolutionary role aligned with nurturing, cuddling, and a life mostly “meant” to be lived indoors.

So for you to compare you supposed workouts, and what they do for you, with what you probably expect the same would do for her (and in the same length of time) is not very realistic, biologically. The only women I’ve seen who are able to achieve that have bodies unlike most women, and/or are obsessed to the point of body-building with that muscle-sinewy effect that every sexy man I’ve ever met despises and finds a turn-off. Most men do not want women whose bodies resemble men’s. But women who resemble women will develop cellulite. Deal with it, sir.
 
The two of you need marriage counseling. That is the only loving thing and reasonable thing I’ve heard you say yet. There are clearly issues here involving expectations, involving communication – both of which relate to passion and affection, and (therefore) to the health of a marriage. In counseling, you will discover how to respect her, because any decent MFCC will point out any lack of respect, mutually. The counselor will show you (both of you) what you value, by how you speak to each other and about each other. (You present it as if “she” needs it; right there is an indication of how much you need it as well.)

Your OP and your second response demonstrates the typical pattern of why couples in situations of impasse need counseling: one person is giving a distorted version of the story. You paint yourself to be a reasonable, caring husband who “naturally” doesn’t want this and that, and who describes his wife in sometimes grotesque terms. So (while looking around for a high-quality marriage counselor), you should purchase some of those trashy issues of “Star” magazine at the grocery store checkout line. They often have “tell-all” photos of actresses and other celebrities not In Their Finest – specifically with :eek: --need I say the word-- cellulite. (Forgive me, God; surely cellulite horrifies you; you, God, must despise the very aging process which you put into place as a FACT OF LIFE.)

These famous actresses have cellulite on their butts, thighs, knees, wherever. You just don’t see that in the photoshopped pics on magazine covers. And you just don’t happen to know that virtually all actresses at the Oscars walk down those red carpets with special squeezing underwear that flattens tummies, midriffs, and thighs. Plastic surgery? You disparagingly refer to your wife who will supposedly need that? Many actresses have had the same, and not just on their faces but all over, and do so regularly. In order to maintain their attractive public exteriors, they need to spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours maintaining a facade so that they will continue to be marketable to the public and to their producers and directors.

The gym and diets aside, the aging process marches on against time, even for those with abundant discipline and money, and is a universal absolute, progressing eventually toward death. Wait: I guess you have no Love Handles :o. You must have Washboard Abs.

A little more on the differences between men and women. Genetically, men are not nearly as prone to the “sag” effect of weight gain, and gain more easily restore a look of muscle and tightness because of their hormones and skin cell makeup which are programmed for tightness, as long as men don’t completely let themselves go. There’s a reason for that: it’s evolutionary. Males have needed physical strength for the physical tasks associated with hunting, building, defending, and more; therefore, God designed their bodies in a certain way. Women, even rich, famous women, will generally have a tendency toward softness of body, which also fits with an evolutionary role aligned with nurturing, cuddling, and a life mostly “meant” to be lived indoors.

So for you to compare you supposed workouts, and what they do for you, with what you probably expect the same would do for her (and in the same length of time) is not very realistic, biologically. The only women I’ve seen who are able to achieve that have bodies unlike most women, and/or are obsessed to the point of body-building with that muscle-sinewy effect that every sexy man I’ve ever met despises and finds a turn-off. Most men do not want women whose bodies resemble men’s. But women who resemble women will develop cellulite. Deal with it, sir.
Hey I don’t need her to be a body builder, a fake plastic celebrity or anorexic. I’d be happy if she just looked average and could shop in the regular stores. I don’t need a size 2 wife, I’d be happy with a ten at this point. I’m not a monster who demands perfection or who doesn’t understand aging obviously we will never be 20 again. Crows feet, greys, a little gravity sag I get that totally its the appearance of not giving a hoot that makes me sad
 
Maybe she just feels impressing you isn’t worth the effort? :rolleyes:
Then she should care about herself and the fact that our kids have been teased because their mom is so big and people often say things like “Wide Load!” when she goes out.
 
I am on the other side of this argument as the overweight husband. I’ve been heavy all of my adult life - I’ve had to shop at Big & Tall stores since I was a sophomore in high school. In the last year I had a wake up call and have lost 100 lbs. I still have about 50 lbs I would like to lose and I’m working on it. In the meantime I’ve got from a 54" waist to a 40" waist and a 4x shirt to an XL/XXL. I’m stronger, fitter and healthier than I’ve ever been in my adult life and I truly can’t believe it took me into my early 30’s to get my health and life together.

So now that I’ve established a little bit of credibility (hopefully) let me just point out that it’s already been said in this thread but here is what I believe to be true: Losing a lot of weight (for people like myself who are truly obese) requires a dedicated lifestyle change. It also requires that the person be well and truly ready to make the change for themselves. You cannot force them to do so - nothing you say or do (positive or negative) will cause them to want to lose weight. I sometimes think of myself as a food addict, not unlike an alcoholic only addicted to Ho Ho’s (RIP) and not booze. Over the course of the last year there haveve been a couple of times where I’ve stood in a dark kitchen after destroying an entire package of cookies and hating myself for ruining all my hard work with 20 minutes of binge eating. Seriously, food addiction is real and I will always be an addict.

For me, it took a big wake up call in the form of a health scare for my dad related to his being overweight and having a terrible diet for most of his life. I decided that I didn’t want to be lying in the hospital in my early 60’s wondering if I was going to die because it was more important to gorge on Oreo’s, cheeseburgers, french fries and beer than to take care of myself when I had the chance.

Still, losing 100 lbs is one of the hardest things I’ve ever accomplished.

The best advice I can give you is to pray for your wife that she will have that “wake up” call. You can also take command of certain aspects of your family life that might help. Consider planning some healthy meals, then doing the shopping and the cooking. If you don’t workout, start to exercise regularly. My wife (who has never been overweight) recently started running after she watched me race a couple of 5K’s and a triathlon last year. She sees how much fun I’m having and how much better I feel and how much more energy and fitness I have and she wants in on that. If your wife shows an interest in improving her health, then support her as much as you can in whatever ways she needs.

Overweight people already feel bad enough about themselves and lack an incentive to change their ways (I know I did). Negative comments and feedback are hurtful because all you are doing is saying out loud the things the obese person already feels about them self - which just confirms and validates their self loathing.
 
Dear CAF…my husband became a drunk, etc… He wasn’t like that when we got married. What do I do?

Dear wife of alcoholic…You need to leave! You need to stand up for yourself! You poor thing…I’ll pray for you! OMG what about the children?!?, etc, etc, etc.
Seriously? You SERIOUSLY think living with a drunk and living with someone who is obsese is the similar?

Have you ever lived with a drunk? Were you a child who had to lock yourself in your room and hide in a closet because the drunk you lived with is off on a rampage again? Were your friends afraid to come to your house because the drunk would insult and yell obsenities at them? Did the the drunk you lived with break things and throw things at you? Did the drunk know to never hit you in the face because then people would know so instead he hit your body? Did the drunk you lived with cry and beg forgiveness, swear to never to drink again, only to get drunk again, and again, and again, and again.

If so, then yeah… you know it’s the SAME exact thing as living with someone who doesn’t care to excercise and eats junk food… :rolleyes:

Dumbest comparison ever.
 
To all the offended people:

At least recognize the typical pattern on the CAF ‘whining about my husband’ topics.

Dear CAF…my husband became a drunk, etc… He wasn’t like that when we got married. What do I do?

Dear wife of alcoholic…You need to leave! You need to stand up for yourself! You poor thing…I’ll pray for you! OMG what about the children?!?, etc, etc, etc.
There’s a big difference between someone who becomes an alcoholic and someone who becomes obese. Both are detrimental to one’s health but alcoholics can become violent, angry and can literally drink themselves to death in one episode. They can also lash out and injure those around them. A food addiction, while real, is something I’d consider less serious given that there are no potentially dangerous situations caused by inebriation.

If this was a thread where a woman was letting off steam about her husband being lazy or also becoming extremely fat, I’d say the same thing I said to MushroomMan. Of course, being male myself, I have little time or tolerance for the double-standard stuff.

It is only the rare response to this situation that actually touches on the proper catholic teaching. Some of you have done so in this case. You are correct in doing so.
I feel your pain, brother. To all the harsh responders…it is real pain. Don’t just sweep this dude under the rug because of the blunt feelings.
Anyone who wants to dismiss the notion that he shouldn’t be upset is wrong. That said, he’s gone about expressing his pain and agitation in a way that isn’t going to garner much sympathy… even from a guy like me who thinks he has half a point.
 
This:
“She is a member of a “fat acceptance” website”

-Perhaps she wants to be accepted not told that she should do something other than be herself to be found attractive or wanted. We all want this.

-Perhaps she was never accepted for whom she really was as a person and it is the extra weight that is “daring” others to approve of her. We have all done this in on form or another at one time or another.

-Perhaps your wife needs to work through past events before she works on losing weight. Who hasn’t have had to get past something in order to achieve something else.

-Perhaps there is nothing you can do but to continue being the best father, husband, brother, son, neighbour and friend which means: God first, your marriage, your family, your neighbour. When you do this God helps you with all of the necessary graces… We are all asked to do this.

-Perhaps you may want to focus on what is behind you having the disdain and/or anger for her and the real reasons(s) you may to abandon the marriage and your family after 20 years.

-Perhaps God is allowing each of you to work through personal issues as one trial in your marriage. What if He has given you each other for this and it is part of His plan to draw the both of you closer to Him? Would you say yes to God then? Would it not change they way you feel about your wife, your family, your purpose at this time?
Just a thought.
 
Then she should care about herself and the fact that our kids have been teased because their mom is so big and people often say things like “Wide Load!” when she goes out.
That doesn’t count if it is you saying it. :rolleyes:

Both of my parents were overweight and I never heard an adult say that.
 
Then she should care about herself and the fact that our kids have been teased because their mom is so big and people often say things like “Wide Load!” when she goes out.
Oh really? Who says those things? If you hear those comments you should defend her. You are obviously on the side of those rude people and probably secretly high-five them behind her back.

You really need to stop posting.
 
Then she should care about herself and the fact that our kids have been teased because their mom is so big and people often say things like “Wide Load!” when she goes out.
People who would say things like Wide Load need more help then your wife does…

You are correct though - she should care about her health, and being there for her children. You aren’t helping her get there though… your attitude is unloving and just plain mean.
 
MM, you’re starting to make a little more sense but you should step back and realize that if your tone with your wife is even 1/10th of what it is here you’re probably making the situation worse. Tone matters. Taking someone else’s feelings into consideration matters. Regardless of the situation it does not matter if you have the facts on your side if the audience to whom you are speaking is going to be so turned off that they’re not listening anymore.

Chances are that your wife is aware of her weight. Chances are that she is ashamed and embarrassed. Chances are she uses those “proud to be fat” groups as a coping mechanism.

I’ve never been as overweight as haedron, but I was a fat kid in high school. I was 6ft, 250 as a junior in high school. It was not a pretty sight. I never felt good about myself but I certainly put on a heck of a front. I ended up breaking my ankle in part due to my weight. Using crutches for a few months took 15 pounds off and, a couple of years later, I was pretty svelte. 6’2", 205-210. No washboard abs or anything crazy but hey, I felt good! I knew I wasn’t blowing anyone away but I was healthy and felt way better about myself.

Suffice it to say that there are very, very few people who are obese that feel good. It’s almost impossible because the body knows it’s not healthy. That knowledge creeps into the conscious mind. So dude, I’m pretty sure she gets it. She needs a way out and she needs to be inspired to do this for herself as opposed to doing it because you “demand” it. I don’t have tremendous advice for that, but I can tell you that being passive-aggressive about it, or blatantly negative as the case may be, is not going to help.
 
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