Will Automation be good or bad for jobs and society?

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Darning socks helps with these too
  • Improve coordination …avoid sticking the pin in your hand
  • Improve problem-solving skills…not all holes are equal
  • Enhance memory…where’d I put the needle!
  • Improve attention and concentration…again ouch!
  • Improve the brain’s speed…drive to get done ASAP
  • Enhance multitasking skills…watching tv, darning and talking on the phone
  • Improve social skills…okay, so usually I do it at home but it gives me a topic of conversation, for a minute.
 
A 24-year-old expert in video games just killed four people.

Someone who invested that time in taking flying lessons would be gainfully employed.

 
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You mean like the 9/11 terrorists? They took flying lessons…

FWIW, I was an aviator in the Navy and a lot of my friends are commercial pilots. It would take a lot of flying lessons to get a good full time job as a pilot. It is possible, but it is certainly not the easiest, fastest or cheapest route to a good career.
 
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other elements of economic life
What are they referring to? What elements are these?
Everything which goes to make up an economy other than human work .
 
It is going to be great. Lets say that in 30 years 50% of the jobs are taken over by automation and that cars are manufactured 100% by automation. Those people that were replaced by automation will be paid by companies in some fashion as they will need customers. Or the 50% that are still working will be paid twice as much as they are today. The economy will find equilibrium. Let capitalism work and it will always work well.
 
Those people that were replaced by automation will be paid by companies in some fashion
Those people replaced by automation will be doing something else, for that company or someone else.

I forget the exact numbers, but a few years ago, I read what the steel production at the Edgar Thomson Works in Braddock PA was back in the 1880’s and what it was today.

Basically, no change, but what took 12,000 employees to do in the 19th Century takes like 400 today.
 
You mean like the 9/11 terrorists? They took flying lessons…

FWIW, I was an aviator in the Navy and a lot of my friends are commercial pilots. It would take a lot of flying lessons to get a good full time job as a pilot. It is possible, but it is certainly not the easiest, fastest or cheapest route to a good career.
They avoided learning to land … or navigation … Ya need 300 hours of in-flight … plus ground school … and 1000+ hours of additional practice.
 
This is absolutely true!

There are many times in our lab when service reps have been called in to fix one of our
high-tech instruments—and they ended up fishing a dead fly out of the instrument’s innards! So much for high tech!

And no matter how high-tech our world becomes, there are still plenty of us digging through flea markets and autumn craft shows for homemade items or retro items that don’t require a computer to be beautiful or to perform a practical function.

My husband collects typewriters and loves repairing the very old ones. His oldest is 111 years old, and it STILL TYPES beautifully!
 
I’m sure your referring more to addiction to computer game playing, which unfortunately has become a reality in some places,especially with males I think and can reduce their social skills.
 
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While I am all in favour for technological advancement,at the same time my concern though is that while posters on CAF may have the intelligence and ability to be adaptable and retrain “with the times” ,there are some blue collar workers that likely can’t.
I’m not saying that to insult their intelligence,but rather I have heard them say so themselves.

While automation has been always happening,now it seems developed society is at a pinnacle where more labour type jobs will slowly be replaced by “bots” and while some labour jobs will still remain, they will likely be greatly reduced.

The belief in an ability for society to adapt sort of relies on a mindset that all “men” were created intellectually equal but I don’t believe this is the case.
So what will happen to the people who are not “very intelligent”,innovative,lack problem solving skills or creativity etc?
Will the end result be them fighting over the (relatively) few labour roles or face unemployment?
 
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I totally agree. After many years of learning I finally became skilled at what I did and then we had a recession and people started to suggest I retrain. The thought of going through the process all over again I found depressing and I didn’t do it. I enjoy learning everyday things but that’s not the same as retraining.
And yes you’re right, we should also consider those whose intelligence falls below the mean because it’s right and just and Our Lord instructs us so.

I really think that we should redefine progress.
 
What I and a few others were saying above is that there will always be manual labor jobs. Always. Maybe in the very far future, humans will no longer move, but do everything with their minds (isn’t that what the Scientologists preach?). But that’s a loooooong way away.

I personally think that as automation becomes more prevalent, people will lose their basic fitness level. Some will gain it back by going to a gym and exercising, but many of us will just get softer and weaker. What this means is that those people who are capable of performing manual labor will become MORE valuable as all the rest of us become physically weaker. This means we will pay MORE for them to repair our machines, care for our landscaping, farm, clean, drive, defend us against crime and our enemies, etc.

An example of this–at the beginning of the summer, I volunteered to host a young woman from out of the country and of course, I wanted my house to be clean. My house is neat, but the floors were pretty grimy after a long winter, and because of my arthritic knees, I have a very hard time cleaning them thoroughly. So…I hired a friend of mine who owns a cleaning business. She did a super job and we paid her as much as I make working in a hospital tech job! We plan to hire her on a regular basis several times a year–in two hours, she can do what would take me all day to do, and she does a much better job and doesn’t end up on the sofa with ice on her painful knees like I do!
 
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It depends on who you are. If we orient our training, skills, and accreditation systems to build in demand future skills, that at least minimizes the impact.

For displaced workers, solutions really depend on the industry, job function, employee tenure, geography, employee age, and ability.
 
The problem is if something becomes automated a single displaced person might be able to retrain and upskill, it’s unlikely that all the displaced people will be able to upskill as there are only so many opportunities for skilled workers.
 
I wonder if some realise they may end up programming and coding themselves out of employment.
 
I don’t know, but what I do know is this:

My future of occupation (priest God-willing) will never be replaced by robots. It’s impossible!
 
Why is it that catholics are so pessimistic about life? Business will need consumers, consumers will need a pay check. That means business will find a way to pay people for their labor. Who knows what that labor will be.
 
My future of occupation (priest God-willing) will never be replaced by robots. It’s impossible!
You’re probably right, although I wouldn’t be surprised to see altar server replaced by robots in the near future. That would be every priest’s dream, an altar server who doesn’t forget his/her lines, is always in the right place.
 
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