Will Catholics who use artificial birth control go to Hell? ---POLL!

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All birth control not being equal in the eyes of COnception. How are we supposed to support ourselves in a world with 6 Billion overbearing, selfish, egotistical sinners.

I have alot of faith but I do not see how the poor people can afford to raise children. Especially since everything from Dental Care to cars is astronomical.
 
There are licit ways to space births for a grave reason. Having less money may or may not be a grave reason. Contraception is a grave sin. One can lose their soul. Which is more important eternal salvation or a susposed population explosion?
 
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Bill_A:
All birth control not being equal in the eyes of COnception. How are we supposed to support ourselves in a world …Especially since everything from Dental Care to cars is astronomical.
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Can you really picture yourself standing before the judgement seat of Christ upon your earthly departure and trying to get this one by God?..I mean, dental insurance and cars?? Give this one some serious thought. :hmmm:
 
Just a little analogy:

Contraception and:
Bulimia Nervosa An eating disorder. A loss of control over food intake characterized by gorging binges followed by self-induced vomiting or use of laxatives; also accompanied by feelings of guilt and depression.
 
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Bill_A:
All birth control not being equal in the eyes of COnception. How are we supposed to support ourselves in a world with 6 Billion overbearing, selfish, egotistical sinners.

I have alot of faith but I do not see how the poor people can afford to raise children. Especially since everything from Dental Care to cars is astronomical.
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I’m in the middle of 9 children. Dad was layed of 40% of the time. 4 of us, the ones who chose to, completed college. All are still living, none died of dental disease, and each is reaping all that they sowed. The oldest is 70. The average # of offspring among us is 5.
 
That’s up to God to decide, not us. It’s none of our business what a couple does in their private relations.
 
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That’s up to God to decide, not us. It’s none of our business what a couple does in their private relations.
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Contraception is instrinsically Evil!
Contraception is more correctly called heresy and an
Anti-Sacrament. A destroyer of Grace.

You modernist rhetoric and attitude is exactly the problem with the Roman Catholic Church in America and why the schism of Amchurch will continue until this heresy and destroyer of grace is condemned and rooted out.
 
I seriously doubt hell is about a one item issue. Not to mention, intention and regret is a huge part of the sentencing procedure, and only God knows what is in people’s hearts to make such guesses (but God does not have to guess anything).
 
Although I’m very new to these forums, I have learned that alot of people think it is wrong for humans to speculate on who goes to Hell. Surely that is for God, and God alone to decide.
 
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Although I’m very new to these forums, I have learned that alot of people think it is wrong for humans to speculate on who goes to Hell. Surely that is for God, and God alone to decide.
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I agree with your above statement–see below excepts from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. However, part of being a good Catholic is to tactfully seize the opportunity when presented to us to speak the truth of the Catholic faith, especially to those who profess to be of the same household of Christian faith. This is in service to the eternal welfare of our fellow believer, while of course reserving judgement to God. This does not entail being mute and not calling sinful actions sinful (especially gravely sinful actions) out of false sensitivity that others may be offended by what the Church authoritatively teaches.

Comments such as “*It’s none of our business what a couple does in their private relations” *are garbage when the Church is properly understood as the mystical Body of Christ–See CCC 1267 except below and #'s 1396, 779.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

**1857 **For a *sin *to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: “Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.”
**1859 **Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.

1267 Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ: “Therefore . . . we are members one of another.” Baptism incorporates us into the Church. From the baptismal fonts is born the one People of God of the New Covenant, which transcends all the natural or human limits of nations, cultures, races, and sexes: “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.”
 
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WhiteDove:
I hear that most Catholic couples use artificial birth control and still take communion. If they die unrepentant, will they go to Hell? 🙂
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it will be up to God to decide… we best concern ourselves with our souls not theirs… don’t you think…?
 
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it will be up to God to decide… we best concern ourselves with our souls not theirs… don’t you think…?
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Nope, we have an obligation to preach the truth. Too many have been silent for too long. How many souls have been lost from not preaching the truth in season and out of season? This is not a light matter. It is not about gossip or judging another’s soul. It is about living the faith and instructing the ignorant that we are all called to do.
 
Originally Posted by WhiteDove
I hear that most Catholic couples use artificial birth control and still take communion. If they die unrepentant, will they go to Hell? 🙂
space ghost:
it will be up to God to decide…** we best concern ourselves with our souls not theirs… don’t you think…?/**QUOTE]

I think not. Short of rendering judgement on someone (of course,* only God can* and will pass judgement), why should fellow believers not have more that a tacit, aloof concern for the eternal destiny of the person [the friend, the family member, the neighbor, etc], whom they have personal contact and knowledge of engaging in serious sin? Sure, prudence and tactfulness are in order, as also trying to be led by the Holy Spirit and couching our words to them in intercessory prayer.

The hands off approach, for the reason that God is the Judge so we better not say anything as to appear judgemental, certainly leaves less room/avenue for the Holy Spirit to convict and access the person engaging in the hazard of serious sinful activitiy. We should be judging their actions, while not judging the person, which is to have the destiny of their souls as our primary concern.
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Castii Connubii by Pius XI (excerpt)
  1. But no reason, however grave, may be put forward by which anything intrinsically against nature may become conformable to nature and morally good. Since, therefore, the conjugal act is destined primarily by nature for the begetting of children, those who in exercising it deliberately frustrate its natural power and purpose sin against nature and commit a deed which is shameful and intrinsically vicious.
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  1. Small wonder, therefore, if Holy Writ bears witness that the Divine Majesty regards with greatest detestation this horrible crime and at times has punished it with death. As St. Augustine notes, “Intercourse even with one’s legitimate wife is unlawful and wicked where the conception of the offspring is prevented. Onan, the son of Juda, did this and the Lord killed him for it.”[45]
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  1. Since, therefore, openly departing from the uninterrupted Christian tradition some recently have judged it possible solemnly to declare another doctrine regarding this question, the Catholic Church, to whom God has entrusted the defense of the integrity and purity of morals, standing erect in the midst of the moral ruin which surrounds her, in order that she may preserve the chastity of the nuptial union from being defiled by this foul stain, raises her voice in token of her divine ambassadorship and through Our mouth proclaims anew: any use whatsoever of matrimony exercised in such a way that the act is deliberately frustrated in its natural power to generate life is an offense against the law of God and of nature, and those who indulge in such are branded with the guilt of a grave sin.
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if they die unrepentant of their sins, then yes. that’s really the question, not what they’ve done before that time. if we die in a state of grace, we don’t go to hell. if we die in a state of unconfessed mortal sin, we do.

of course, their actions are GRAVE without necessarily being MORTAL, depending on their knowledge of their culpability.

but the question, i think, boils down to their final state more than which sins they’ve committed.

so - in a nutshell - we can’t know.
 
If they were truly ignorant of the Church’s teaching about this matter while using birth control, no, it’s not a mortal sin, and they most likely won’t go to Hell; but the sin will be a venial sin, and most likey be delt with in Purgatory.
But it’s vitally important that when they become aware of the Church’s teaching that they go and confess their sin, repent, and use the birth control no more.

(Note- This is why it’s really important to research and read books on the Church’s teachings. It’s also helpful to get a spiritual director or a friend who knows the details on the Faith.)

But if they are aware of teachings and rules of the Church, and still use birth control, their soul is will be stained by a mortal sin. And if they die with this mortal sin on their soul and/or defying God until their death…well, unfortunate for them, they’ll most likely go downstairs.

Also remember-- We (people here on earth) can only judge the action not the person, only God can do that.
 
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WhiteDove:
I hear that most Catholic couples use artificial birth control and still take communion. If they die unrepentant, will they go to Hell? 🙂
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That, is God’s business with them, alone.​

 
I voted “I don’t know” on this one due to not having the proper education on the matter and that we do not really know where people end up after death since this is only one of many sins that can be committed.

The reason was that it depends on the cirumstances and what follows. The “pill” is the most mirky of the circumstances since most “pills” are abotifacients. This is the same as an abortion (if conception occurs).

I know, in some cases, the “pill” is perscribed for certain medical conditions not related to reproductive concerns, but I think absidence is recommended during the time the “pill” is being taken.

In any case, confession is necessary and discontinuation of using contraceptives is needed.

Saying that, how about tubal ligations and vasectomies that cannot be reversed. What is the rule on this one?

PF

One note: On vasectomies, I am not asking for myself since I have not had one :bigyikes:
 
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