Will not vote for Trump, but no pro-life Democrats?

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So you think Trump will stop abortion? It is already in God’s law not to kill infants why do we need a US law on top of that?
 
yeah because voting for someone who wants to legalize infanticide is better than voting for someone who says mean things… sorry but I don’t think that’s a very Catholic opinion. The church is very clear on abortion being a very very grave evil.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P57.HTM
 
yes we need a law on top of that just like we need a homicide law on top of the 5th commandment.
 
I don’t really care if it’s Catholic opinion or not and it’s not about him saying mean things. As someone mentioned, what he wants to do with Healthcare and is doing with Healthcare will affect me personally and is affecting patients that I transport or are unable to transport because of Medicare/Medicaid defunding.

I will vote Democrat in this coming election as that is what way my conscience is leading me. You go ahead and do the same, vote the way your conscience is leading you.

If that make me less Catholic, so be it. I am at peace with my decision.
 
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So our duty to pay taxes isn’t noble or charitable since it is compelled. It doesn’t evidence any virtue whatsoever. It’s like wanting credit for breathing. You have to do it. Thus policies fueled by taxes aren’t Chritian policies.
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This is a far leaning misunderstanding of what taxes are all about, also I don’t believe it’s Catholic teaching or it would be stated, and it’s far from it. (Rerum Novarum )

I prefer not to bring my roads with me when I go to work, fire, police, and road repair…I’ll pay the taxes thank you very much.

I’m part of a society with the belief we’re in this together and wouldn’t mind if the young woman next door to me decided to have her baby and benefitted from health care that indirectly I contribute to. I’ll put my money where my mouth is.

The OP isn’t voting for Trump in 2020, she’s not going to be alone. There are persons who have not seen the economic boom in their lives and they are the majority. The stock market might be great but not all lives are subject to stocks and bond growth, or benefit from the false ideology of “trickle down” economics…As our Pope said, instead of the overflow of wealth trickling down the glass at the top gets magically bigger.
 
It strikes me as odd that someone commenting on a Catholic forum doesn’t seem to care one bit about the official stance of the Catholic Church.
 
I’m weighing in nine days late, but I did hear from one lawyer that Roe v. Wade was a LOT more about protecting doctors than protecting women. I can totally see that.
 
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It’s because to me Healthcare is a more pressing matter.

How is that hard to understand?

I don’t have to vote the way the Catholic church tells me to vote.

I am also not alone on these boards as to voting Democrat. There are many others who will vote Democrat or a different party. They are following their conscience and not toting the church line.
 
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Because nations have an obligation to execute justice within their domains. Not punishing evil is scandalous.
 
Unemployment at 50-year lows, wages rising, very low inflation. What’s not to like?
 
Because Obamacare worked out so well. You want to make healthcare affordable? Try capping tuition at colleges and medical schools, so doctors don’t come out of school with $300,000 in debt.
 
Obamacare wasn’t perfect, but a step in the right direction.

I would like to see a one payer system.
 
Then the government gets to decide who gets healthcare and who doesn’t. Behind the Iron Curtain, families who received care packages from the West would use the goods to bribe doctors and nurses to work off-the-books overtime to tend to their needs.
 
Not everyone’s wages are rising. My girlfriend works for the state and she gets infrequent raises that definitely have not kept up with inflation.

I am an EMT, my last raise was in 2017 and I got a measly 18 cents. I went from $12.00 an hour to $12.18 an hour. Hardly able to keep myself afloat.
 
For me this question of picking and choosing man’s political ideology is simple, I’m not registered to any political party…nor do I care anymore. I leave all man’s worldly goods to man, and accept Christ as the way I will follow.
 
I don’t know about that. However, there are many first world nations that have a single payer system and they seem to be doing just fine with it.

Yes, there are problems with it, but what’s the difference between fighting insurance companies and fighting the government? If both say no, there’s not much you can do beyond appeals. Even then they can still still say no. I know this first hand watching my ex-wife and my mom fight Medicare and the insurance companies.

It’s still better than what we have now because everyone will have insurance regardless of their status in life.
 
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Trust me, I have thought about leaving the church because I just don’t agree with it on many issues and had I been given a choice rather than being baptized as a infant as to what church I wanted to belong to, I would have never chosen the Catholic church.

However, as it has been made obvious to me in the past, once Catholic always Catholic and even if I left, I will be considered Catholic by God.

So I am left with quite a quandary.
 
I am certain that the Church does not have an “official” recommendation regarding which candidate to select during any election? Besides, not even conservatives wanted Trump in 2016. He managed to manipulate a desperate segment of the voting public and managed to get elected on a populist agenda. He also has a history of supporting Democratic issues. Both former Presidents; George (43) and George H.W. (41) detested him…just to name two.

Also remember that Trump has a long time reputation for rewarding those he deems loyal. In January 2017, His first choice for the first Supreme Court Justice position that opened was for Rudy Giuliani - who is pro-choice. It was “temporary” Chief of Staff, Reince Priebus that told the President that he could not select Giuliani; which I am certain did not help the tension between the two. The top consideration was Federal Appellate Court Judge Neil Gorsuch. To which Trump responded; he found it a waste to give the job to someone he did not know.

Bless You!, you see firsthand how healthcare is a growing epidemic within our society. As followers of Our Lord, we need to exemplify the values instills in us and not succumb to the political tribalism that is so apparent around us.
 
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