Will not vote for Trump, but no pro-life Democrats?

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Has nothing to do with his personality for me. I could honestly care less about his personality.

It’s about other issues with the major one being Healthcare.
 
lonegreywolf20 said:
some who we couldn’t transport because Medicare has gotten so strict
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God forbid that your employer should transport anyone without being paid the outrageous charges medical providers charge. It’s okay with them, though if the government makes ME pay for it.
 
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Yes, Medicare has gotten strict because of all the fraud being perpetrated against the government.
 
My company doesn’t charge outrageous prices.
 
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The reason we won’t transport is because we will not commit fraud to make the transport.

Nor will we charge the patient if Medicare doesn’t pay. So, we screen who we can transport on scene. If they don’t meet requirements, we don’t transport.
 
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But the thing is, Trump cannot do anything about abortion. Congress sets the agenda. The House and Senate pass bills. He can sign the finished bill or veto. But he cannot initiate pro-life legislation.
For two years, the GOP had control of the House, the Senate, and the White House. They did NOTHING about abortion. Oh, they passed a few minor bills, but they could have done so much more.
Trump and other Republicans say that are pro-life. But in reality, they only seek the support of people like you. They want this issue to go on for years so they can wedge out votes from pro-life supporters. I am tired of being used as a pawn.
I know most of the Democrats are pro choice, but I like their stand on other issues like affordable health care, social security, medicare, veteran’s issues, high wages, prison reform, and education, just to name a few.
And, their candidates are not as vile at Trump seems to be.
 
Laylow, this is my whole point.
The GOP gains support from us Catholics because of abortion.
On the other hand, things that most of us support like affordable health care, higher wages, social security, medicare, etc. are things that the Republicans are against.
Paul Ryan did his best to destroy Medicare and Medicaid.
Mitch McConnell did his best to do award with the Affordable Care Act.
William Barr is doing what he can to try to get the courts do away from the Affordable Care Act.
 
I’m sorry, but you’re just wrong. Nothing the House or Senate can pass will prevent abortion, because the Supreme Court has declared it a “constitutional right”.

Trump had two things he could do to protect unborn life. He could appoint prolife justices to the Supreme Court. He has done that twice so far. He could issue executive orders vacating Obama’s pro-abortion orders. He did that in the case of the mexico City policy and the HHS Mandate.

You can’t excuse voting for mass murder by saying “oh but the killers paid a few medical bills” or “their candidates have better manners”.

I’m not fooled. I was a Democrat most of my life. I held office in the party, as did my wife. I knew representatives, governors and senators on a first-name basis. I was a fund raiser and an advance man. At a point it became obvious to me that I could not simultaneously follow the teaching of the Church and the abortionist policies of the Dem party. I never became a Repub and probably won’t. But I vote for their candidates because all of the Dems on my ballot are always pro-abortion.
 
If you don’t try to pass legislation, you will never get anything done.
The Republicans don’t really try. Like I said, they want this issue for go on for years and years and years. They are not true to the cause. They just want the support of Catholics.
 
Yes you do sound like a politician. Perhaps a troll for the GOP?
 
YourNameHere said:
On the other hand, things that most of us support like affordable health care, higher wages, social security, medicare, etc. are things that
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They are? Well, then, show us where in their platform or in quotes by their leaders where they want to get rid of affordable health care, higher wages, SS, Medicare. Lest you allege that Dems are for “affordable healthcare”, remember that the cost for most people has skyrocketed due to the mandates. And 30 million have no health coverage because the Dems didn’t provide for it when they could have passed anything at all. Remember Jonathan Gruber, the architect of Obamacare, who said they deliberately deceived Americans about keeping one’s doctor or one’s plan? Remember?

I have not seen a single Repub of any stature advocate getting rid of SS or Medicare EXCEPT that George W. Bush briefly raised the possibility of having SS voluntary with a savings plan being the alternative (like the very successful and solvent Galveston Plan). But he abandoned it pretty quickly,.

And frankly, the Repubs SHOULD have Catholic support because of abortion. Catholics should never fail to oppose mass murder.
 
As a Catholic, I will not support abortion politically, no matter what names you call me.
 
Ridgerunner said:
But I vote for their candidates because all of the Dems on my ballot are always pro-abortion.
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Interesting. Maybe I live in a bubble, or with a bunch of liars, but personally I have never met anyone who is “pro-abortion.” They are pro-choice. I know you will mock the distinction, but it is so very important. Supporting someone’s right for a choice is not the same as actually supporting abortion yourself. Until someone is in a truly dire situation, it is impossible for someone to predict how they will handle it.

People like to think this issue is black and white. It isn’t, which is why there is so much disagreement about it. When in doubt, side with freedom.
 
For all your GOP malarky, please explain to me the Republican alternative to the Affordable Care Act…nothing?
When the late John McCain gave the GOPers the thumbs down on doing away with the ACA, there was no plan in place to replace it.
You know your GOP buddies are good at telling us what doesn’t work, but not so good of finding solutions.
You can’t make everything better just by giving millionaires and billionaires a tax cut ever other year. Unless you are a millionaire or a billionaire.
 
I only said you were trolling for the Republicans.
I am totally against abortion, but I will not support one party solely because of that.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Same as.
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Nope, I have a choice and I choose not to abort.

Yeah predictably stubborn. I have no interest talking to a wall.
Ridgerunner said:
Life and death are binary. One is either one or the other. There is no “in between”. It is indeed “black and white”.
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All those starving kids that the Repubs don’t want to help die as well. But who cares, just as long as they weren’t aborted. Sick mindset…just sick.
 
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YourNameHere said:
For all your GOP malarky, please explain to me the Republican alternative to the Affordable Care Act…nothing?
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I’m not a Repub, and I don’t make policy for them. From my own perspective, I would be happy to return to the “status quo ante” when somewhere around 30 million were not insured, like now when 30 million are uninsured but the insured pay more than ever before.
YourNameHere said:
You know your GOP buddies
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I have some buddies who are Repubs all right. Around here it’s said that even the Dems are Repubs. And there’s some truth to that.
YourNameHere said:
You can’t make everything better just by giving millionaires and billionaires a tax cut ever other year. Unless you are a millionaire or a billionaire.
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I don’t care whether millionaires and billionaires get tax cuts. I am, however, grateful for the tax cut I received. As an aside, there is no correlation between wealth and income. Counter-intuitive, but true.
YourNameHere said:
I am totally against abortion, but I will not support one party solely because of that.
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It’s not a matter of party, quite, although the Dem party has said it has no room for prolifers. It’s a matter of voting records. I would not support a pro-abortion Repub either. It’s interesting that NARAL only names Rep Lipinski as “anti-choice”. All other Dems support them. On the other hand, it characterizes all but a handful of Repubs as “anti-choice”. National Right to Life’s list is virtually the same.

So, in the absence of knowing for sure, a vote for a Repub is almost always going to be a prolife vote. A vote for a Dem is always going to be a vote for abortion unless one is in Lipinski’s district.
Oh yes, and the Dems are running an abortion candidate against Lipinski. Can’t have prolifers in the party.
 
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laylow said:
All those starving kids that the Repubs don’t want to help die as well.
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Which ones are those? Please provide a reputable source demonstrating that Repubs have caused children to die by their policies.
 
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