Will not vote for Trump, but no pro-life Democrats?

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Both. I don’t think reducing the number of abortions can be reconciled with an administration or a party which actively supports abortion for nine months of pregnancy, or beyond.
 
JimG said:
Both. I don’t think reducing the number of abortions can be reconciled with an administration or a party which actively supports abortion for nine months of pregnancy, or beyond.
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The problem is, what is the precedent in thinking changing the legality will help? I can’t think of an issue where it has worked.

Also, how will it be enforced? A woman is not noticeably pregnant until what, 12 weeks? She could self-abort without anyone finding out. Also, a person does not legally have a name or identity until they are born. So is every miscarriage going to be investigated for murder of a “person” that does not legally exist yet?
 
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Abortion legislation has traditionally been a matter of legislation by the various states. And before Roe v Wade every state had its own abortion legislation. But Roe in effect invalidated every state law regarding the matter. I am not opposed to incremental restrictions; currently, the U.S. has a more liberal abortion policy than most European nations. Nobody is going to be charged with miscarriage. Abortion legislation normally restricts actions of abortionists, not women. R v W, in fact is more a protection for abortionists than women.
 
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I saw him on televise state that there were good folks in that crowd marching with the torches. That seen looked like something from Nazi Germany.
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And when he said that criminals are coming across our southern border he was attacked as well.
 
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steve-b:
IOW he turns against those who turn against him? Gee how unique.
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Yeah, he was a model citizen before “people” turned against him. Anyone defending his character is truly delusional.
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What is loyalty worth when people who were supposed to be loyal, aren’t loyal anymore?
steve-b said:
look at the unemployment issue. Lowest in 50 yrs. Not to mention, Lowest black unemployment in the history of keeping that statistic. That doesn’t happen by accident.
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laylow:
I haven’t fact-checked this, I’ll assume it’s correct. At what cost? Foreign relations are horrible. The climate is only getting worse.
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  1. foreign relations are horrible? Which foreign relation? What does this have to do with the topic of pro life?
  2. Re: Climate. Have you seen the following? Apparently according to science we’ve had multiple ice ages. Ergo multiple global warmings all before there were people on the Earth. Why an ice age occurs every 100,000 years: Climate and feedback effects explained -- ScienceDaily 🤨 Catch that? Multipe events in history withoput even peoiple on the planet. IOW this whole topic happens whether we like it or not. Go figure! But again, how does this deal with the topic of pro-life?
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laylow:
He is concerned about protecting the US, but now we are known as the selfish bully. We can’t know what the long term damage will be, but the rich/poor divide will most certainly grow globally.
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Where is all this coming from? And how is this addressing the issue of pro-life? Trump is bringing troops home. His position as is the platform of his party, the Republican party, is pro life. Don’t take my word for it. http://www.ontheissues.org/Republican_Party.htm

From a previous post of mine, I also showed the DNC position on appointing Judges and securing abortion rights
 
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Aquinas11 said:
Its clear that I’m suggesting voluntary charity is more virtuous than involuntary charity since its chosen and not mandated and more consistent with Gospel.
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And I get it, but disagree.

Taxes are compulsory, charity is not…Charity is love which is a verb.

You can slap a hat on a baby but that doesn’t make him a man. You’re argument is the lipstick on a pig dilemma, spicing up rhetoric doesn’t make it so.

Putting the word “involuntary” in front of charity doesn’t make it a tax.
 
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No, you already asserted they’re not involuntary
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That’s what the definition of compulsory is.

Taxes are not voluntary, Charity is voluntary…It is you that is inserting that taxes are a form of involuntary charity…taxes aren’t charity at all!~!~!~
 
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That’s not compulsory. Involuntary and compulsory are synonymous.
 
Abortion ISN’T THE ONLY ISSUE IN THE WORLD. He’s for the death penalty, that seems to be anti-life.

And don’t embarrass yourself trying to deny climate change. It is happening whether you want to admit it or not. Only fringe groups deny it because the evidence is so significant.
 
laylow said:
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JimG:
Both. I don’t think reducing the number of abortions can be reconciled with an administration or a party which actively supports abortion for nine months of pregnancy, or beyond.
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The problem is, what is the precedent in thinking changing the legality will help? I can’t think of an issue where it has worked.

Also, how will it be enforced? A woman is not noticeably pregnant until what, 12 weeks? She could self-abort without anyone finding out. Also, a person does not legally have a name or identity until they are born. So is every miscarriage going to be investigated for murder of a “person” that does not legally exist yet?
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Life begins at conception. Science doesn’t deny that. https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/life-issues/when-human-life-begins
 
Rhetorical confusion isn’t cutting it on this end.

I’m not the one saying that taxes are involuntary, (compulsory) charity…lol…YOU are!~!~
 
For all those who refuse to vote in 2020, thank you! It make my vote and the others who still care that much more powerful. Trump is no doubt flawed, may he who is without sin cast the first stone. Dems have but one purpose; to remove the ego and super ego and make life all about the Id, a country full of incapable, irresponsible, highly educated, overtaxed, poor, unaccountable socialists.
 
Hahaha hahaha!

Thanks, I needed a laugh today. Too many rough patients and some who we couldn’t transport because Medicare has gotten so strict that you have to ask a bunch of questions to make sure they qualify for a stretcher transport. All because Republicans love cutting the funding to Medicare and Medicaid.
 
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Sounds like this could be a new campaign slogan: “It’s all about the id!”
 
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