Sure there is.
You just do not wish to hear any of it.
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You just do not wish to hear any of it.
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kelvinf
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We are talking here of a 28-year-old and a 17-year-old.
18- and 17-year-olds are teenagers and I don’t see how a 10 cm difference in height had anything to do in this case.
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kelvinf
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I can say that sounds better than comparing their heights
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kelvinf
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How? Still investigating vs. did not investigate properly: Big difference.(?)
For instance, if Zimmerman’s head, nose,… were not thoroughly examined on the day of the incidence in a medical facility, then I would say he wasn’t properly examined.
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kelvinf
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That’s why it’s a second degree and not first degree murder charge.
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kelvinf
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Again, what I really don’t understand in Zimmerman’s story is why this 28-year-old adult didn’t defend himself during the confrontation. Telling me that shooting this boy was the way to defend himself is something I can’t buy.
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maryjk
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Okay, you don’t see it. But many people do.
Someone taller and stronger would have an easier time overpowering someone shorter and weaker. After a point, age is immaterial. Comparing a 17 year old football player to a 28 year old desk jockey and assuming that the desk jockey would come out on top simply because the 17 year old is a child is a foolish thought at best.
Well, yes.
You cannot claim an improper investigation was done of an investigation in progress.
Doing so is dishonest.
If he felt his life threatened, why not?
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kelvinf
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I already gave a very good example. Even if this investigation is done allover again, we will still never get a detailed medical report on Zimmerman’s injuries cuz it wasn’t done on day one and can never be done again.
If we are to claim mishandled on that basis, then there will never be an investigation that is not ‘mishandled’
I am unaware of any medical report at all.
So no amount of investigative work will turn one up.
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kelvinf
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Right, because it was never done. Maybe because there was no need for one which would reflect the minor injuries Zimmerman sustained.
Or it could simply mean that he refused ER treatment.
People do strange things, but in general, this happens a lot.
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kelvinf
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Hmmm, who told you that Trayvon was stronger than Zimmerman? Are you still making that based on height?
Their height difference is about this:http://mediaserver02.stockfood.com/thumbs/NDQxNTcxOQ==/00401429.jpg
Does that make Trayvon stronger for you? How comes you ignore their weight–mass of the body? (And when I have more time, I am going to scientifically present the role weight would have played here.)
BTW, where did you get that Trayvon was a 17-year-old football player? Source?
Yes, at some point, age is immaterial. But that’s usually amongst persons in the same age group. You just can’t ignore the age difference between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. There is a big difference between a 17-year-old and a 28-year-old in almost all aspects.
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maryjk
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I am making that judgement on many factors, one being height. Another being age, and I don’t find a 28 year old desk jockey coming out on top compared to a 17 year old football player.
I don’t see how you come to the conclusion that simply being older would make you fair better in a fight.
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seekerz
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I don’t see how you can come to the conclusion that a few inches would make Trayvon fare better than George.
The longevity of this thread proves that more of any one thing doesn’t necessarily make the outcome any different…
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kelvinf
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You still didn’t provide the source. Who told you that Trayvon was a 17-year-old football player?
What I have said is that, age matters here.(!) I am going to shed more light on that.
Common knowledge.
CNN reported it as well as noted that he had been playing football since he was 5 years old.
NPR reported he was in Optimist league football.
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kelvinf
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Well if it’s “common knowledge”, is it that hard to provide a source?
What I guess is common knowledge is the picture of him in American football “gears”, which was strongly criticised for reflecting a younger Trayvon Martin.
I want to see where it’s mentioned that he played football at age 17. Because if that’s not the case, then it’s misleading to say so. I was somewhat into karate in my childhood. Saying that I am a karateist would be misleading.
On another board, someone said he was a star footballer. But another poster argued that he wasn’t a star footballer but played “Optimist” football (as you rightly mentioned). Unfortunately, I pretty much don’t know what “Optimist” football is.
The point is, the post was meant to counteract the claim that he was a star footballer.You have your sources. CNN and NPR.
I have not seen this picture.
The picture I have always found critiqued was the airbrushed one that turned his skin to a lighter shade, reduced the size of his lips, and eliminated the shadows that the hoodie he was wearing created.
CNN interviewed people to write an article of what they want us to believe Trayvon was before the incident. Drug use was not mentioned.
But one of the people interviewed was listed as being a “fellow football player”
That and the listing that he played football from age five indicate that he was a football player from an early age and continued to be such.
If this is in error, I suggest the source is the problem.
It doesn’t.On another board, someone said he was a star footballer. But another poster argued that he wasn’t a star footballer but played “Optimist” football (as you rightly mentioned). Unfortunately, I pretty much don’t know what “Optimist” football is.
Whoever attempted that argument does not know what ‘Optimist’ football is.
The best I can tell from various Optimist football web pages is that it is simply a team not affiliated with a specific school but is instead organized at a neighborhood level.
It does not characterize skill level.
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