Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist

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scipio337 said:
This is a freaking BLOG.

Is Ostermann a personal friend of Zimmerman’s? Apparently, it is established fact (form actual news sources). Has Ostermann provided advice to his personal friend? More than likely. Actual news sources speculate.

Then you blog delves into tinfoil hat land.

What evidence would that be? That he had a friend? Who was a cop? Who gave him advice?

Oh the humanity!

I don’t see anything substantive drawing a parallel between no charge = direct result of “scripted coaching” (also known as “advice”).

With “sources” like these, it’s no wonder that some might have a biased view.

I loved your direct quote:
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What is your point? :confused:

You asked questions; they were answered. Have you seen anything untrue in these answers? What exactly is the point that you are trying to make that you are so angry or upset about? Its not my responsibility to prove things beyond a shadow of doubt. It is the responsibility of the COURT, and we owe gratitude to Sharpton for making sure that this goes to the COURT instead of being tried and judged not worthy of a trial by people who show favoritism to the killer or think that crimes with black victims and white shooters lack importance. :eek::eek:
 
eternalrest said:
What is your point? :confused:

You asked questions; they were answered. Have you seen anything untrue in these answers? What exactly is the point that you are trying to make that you are so angry or upset about? Its not my responsibility to prove things beyond a shadow of doubt. It is the responsibility of the COURT, and we owe gratitude to Sharpton for making sure that this goes to the COURT instead of being tried and judged not worthy of a trial by people who show favoritism to the killer or think that crimes with black victims and white shooters lack importance. :eek::eek:
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I would say its your responsibility to provide accurate links to back up your argument, rather than speculation and weasel-words.
 
vz71 said:
I don’t know why that would be shocking.

If we are to acknowledge God as the omnipotent all that he is, and acknowledge that he has a plan, then we have to acknowledge that the good and the bad that may happen God has worked out to his ultimate glory.
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It reminds me of how GWB (+ Sarah Palin) said it was God’s plan to invade Iraq.

It is weird for him to have killed Martin and unequivocally say that he has no regrets and claim that it was God’s plan. At the same time, he says he is sorry. Bizarre!

I don’t see how the victim’s family can ever understand that.
 
scipio337 said:
I would say its your responsibility to provide accurate links to back up your argument, rather than speculation and weasel-words.
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What argument? All my links backed up my argument. Let me know what it is that wasn’t backed up instead of rude, sarcastic insults (which are a sin by the way if you believe that respect to other people is part of Catholic teaching), and let’s see if this “responsibility” has been met. 🙂
 
kelvinf said:
It reminds me of how GWB (+ Sarah Palin) said it was God’s plan to invade Iraq.

It is weird for him to have killed Martin and unequivocally say that he has no regrets and claim that it was God’s plan. At the same time, he says he is sorry. Bizarre!

I don’t see how the victim’s family can ever understand that.
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Zimmerman may be mentally ill. He was on two prescription drugs when he shot Trayvon Martin.
 
eternalrest said:
What argument? All my links backed up my argument. Let me know what it is that wasn’t backed up instead of rude, sarcastic insults (which are a sin by the way if you believe that respect to other people is part of Catholic teaching), and let’s see if this “responsibility” has been met. 🙂
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Namely, this one:
New evidence is showing that the early decision not to charge Zimmerman was the result of scripted coaching he received from someone inside the Sanford Police Department.
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It’s pure speculation.
 
scipio337 said:
Namely, this one:

It’s pure speculation.
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Still confused as to what your problem is. Is your problem that a blog post includes opinion? What do you think a “blog” post would include? :rolleyes: Are you saying that this thread should never have any blog posts in it whatsoever or what is the issue?
 
eternalrest said:
Zimmerman may be mentally ill. He was on two prescription drugs when he shot Trayvon Martin.
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Wow. Really charitable. He wasn’t the only one with a history of drug use.

If you watched the interview, the “God’s plan” portion Zimmerman referred to was that it was “God’s plan” that he had the gun, or he may have been killed that night.
 
eternalrest said:
Still confused as to what your problem is. Is your problem that a blog post includes opinion? What do you think a “blog” post would include? :rolleyes: Are you saying that this thread should never have any blog posts in it whatsoever or what is the issue?
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You posted the blog as fact as support of your own outlandish claims, and charges of foul play:
the former sheriff/federal agent instead took the murderer inside of his house to shelter him, and where the murderer and the former police chief exchange pleasantries via email about another similar case where an innocent homeless man is beaten but the person who beats him, the son of a police lieutenant, receives no charges?
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Namely, that the fact that a personal friend of Zimmerman’s is a former sheriff and the fact that Zimmerman had previous (critical, and unrelated) contact with the Sanford Police department somehow suggested a police cover-up, or that Zimmerman was coached.

Your blog link made the same jump to conclusion.

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scipio337 said:
Wow. Really charitable. He wasn’t the only one with a history of drug use.

If you watched the interview, the “God’s plan” portion Zimmerman referred to was that it was “God’s plan” that he had the gun, or he may have been killed that night.
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Do you have a problem with the TRUTH? Is it “uncharitable” to mention that Zimmerman was on two prescription medications for mental illness? If so, why? Is there some rule that any TRUTH that is unflattering to Zimmerman shouldn’t be posted?
 
scipio337 said:
You posted the blog as fact as support of your own outlandish claims, and charges of foul play:

Namely, that the fact that a personal friend of Zimmerman’s is a former sheriff and the fact that Zimmerman had previous (critical, and unrelated) contact with the Sanford Police department somehow suggested a police cover-up, or that Zimmerman was coached.

Your blog link made the same jump to conclusion.

http://www.jeffdurso.com/images/Jump2Conclusions.jpg
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Again, before going around throwing insults - “outlandish”. Let’s focus on TRUTH. Are any of my claims false? If so, which ones?

Let’s look at them one by one.
  1. the former sheriff/federal agent instead took the murderer inside of his house to shelter him - yes, EXCUSE ME, it was a “deputy” sheriff, not a sheriff. Typos happen. :rolleyes:
  2. and where the murderer and the former police chief exchange pleasantries via email about another similar case where an innocent homeless man is beaten but the person who beats him, the son of a police lieutenant, receives no charges?
So… which one is not TRUE?
 
eternalrest said:
Again, before going around throwing insults - “outlandish”. Let’s focus on TRUTH. Are any of my claims false? If so, which ones?

Let’s look at them one by one.
  1. the former sheriff/federal agent instead took the murderer inside of his house to shelter him - yes, EXCUSE ME, it was a “deputy” sheriff, not a sheriff. Typos happen. :rolleyes:
  2. and where the murderer and the former police chief exchange pleasantries via email about another similar case where an innocent homeless man is beaten but the person who beats him, the son of a police lieutenant, receives no charges?
So… which one is not TRUE?
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Perhaps non “untrue”, but certainly willful selection of facts.
  1. False by omission. The “former deputy sheriff” is a personal friend of many years. You are emphasising the fact that he is involved in (non Sanford) law enforcement (and 14 freaking years ago) and ignoring the fact that this is a personal friend of 6+ years.
  2. An email was sent, after Zimmerman was publicly critical of the Sanford PD in a public forum.
You omit simple relevant facts to paint a picture of a law enforcement insider who got preferential treatment in an investigation.

I tell you what: If the trial (or the 4+ investigations going on now) uncover some favorable treatment Zimmerman received because a personal friend is a former cop from a different jurisdiction, or that the investigation was effected because Zimmerman sent 1 email to the police, I’ll retract my criticism.

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rlg94086 said:
What were the prescription drugs that he was on?
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I have seen racist-leaning blogosphere posts which suggested that he was on Aderall and Tamazepam. I can find no legitimate news network making this claim. The Miami Herald claims that ABC News obtained documents:

"According to medical records obtained by the network, he also had a minor back injury. Zimmerman takes Temazepam, an insomnia medication, and** Adderall** — which is prescribed for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or narcolepsy — “medications that can cause side effects such as agitation and mood swings, but in fewer than 10 percent of patients,” ABC reported.

Read more here: miamiherald.com/2012/05/15/2801162/george-zimmerman-had-a-broken.html#storylink=cpy
 
eternalrest said:
Zimmerman may be mentally ill. He was on two prescription drugs when he shot Trayvon Martin.
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rlg94086 said:
What were the prescription drugs that he was on?
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Nevermind. I googled…

He was taking a drug for insomnia and one for ADHD. The media reports aren’t clear, but they seem to say he was on the insomnia medication and only mention the ADHD medication as something that he also has a prescription for.
 
eternalrest said:
Adderall and Temazepam
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Scott_Lafrance said:
I have seen racist-leaning blogosphere posts which suggested that he was on Aderall and Tamazepam. I can find no legitimate news network making this claim. The Miami Herald claims that ABC News obtained documents:

"According to medical records obtained by the network, he also had a minor back injury. Zimmerman takes Temazepam, an insomnia medication, and** Adderall** — which is prescribed for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or narcolepsy — “medications that can cause side effects such as agitation and mood swings, but in fewer than 10 percent of patients,” ABC reported.

Read more here: miamiherald.com/2012/05/15/2801162/george-zimmerman-had-a-broken.html#storylink=cpy
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Right. Insomnia and ADHD…what a monster! :rolleyes:
 
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