Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist

[Dawnia]

Nevermind. I googled…

He was taking a drug for insomnia and one for ADHD. The media reports aren’t clear, but they seem to say he was on the insomnia medication and only mention the ADHD medication as something that he also has a prescription for.

That could explain why he did some of the things he did that night.

Those of us with ADHD aren’t known for our slow deliberate actions.

 

[scipio337]

Adderall and Temazepam

Did the autopsy find any drug use by Travon? I’d say they would have the same relevance as the (presumed) prescribed drugs Zimmerman was taking:

none.

 

[eternalrest]

Here is his explanation for battery of a police officer. He claims AGAIN (just like when his girlfriend took a restraining order against him and accused him twice legally of assault and in the Trayvon Martin case) that the other person attacked him first. scribd.com/doc/87064208/George-Zimmerman%E2%80%99s-application-for-the-Citizens-Police-Academy-in-2008 Except that this time, we know for a fact that he is lying!

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has a reasonable take on this case:

“This law does not apply to this particular circumstance… Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back…He said it took several weeks of outrage and media attention for local officials to step up their efforts.”

So perhaps those who think that local officials were willing to “step up their efforts” for a decent investigation without the public pressure should also write Jeb Bush.

 

[estesbob]

What argument? All my links backed up my argument. Let me know what it is that wasn’t backed up instead of rude, sarcastic insults (which are a sin by the way if you believe that respect to other people is part of Catholic teaching), and let’s see if this “responsibility” has been met.

I especially liked your link to the site where white people were referred to as "winter monkeys “(among other things that forum rules will not allow me to post”

 

[seekerz]

It reminds me of how GWB (+ Sarah Palin) said it was God’s plan to invade Iraq.

It is weird for him to have killed Martin and unequivocally say that he has no regrets and claim that it was God’s plan. At the same time, he says he is sorry. Bizarre!

I don’t see how the victim’s family can ever understand that.

You are spot on. It’s amazing how an interviewer and an interviewee could sit with a straight face through that particular segment. When in doubt, blame God…?

 

[eternalrest]

I especially liked your link to the site where white people were referred to as "winter monkeys “(among other things that forum rules will not allow me to post”

It doesn’t matter what site you link to, people post offensive things in the comment section. Do you ever read Fox News or CNN? How many sites have you seen posting horrendous things about Trayvon Martin and people like him.

 

[scipio337]

You are spot on. It’s amazing how an interviewer and an interviewee could sit with a straight face through that particular segment. When in doubt, blame God…?

Did you listen to the interview? That was not even remotely the context of the comment.

 

[vz71]

Did the autopsy find any drug use by Travon? I’d say they would have the same relevance as the (presumed) prescribed drugs Zimmerman was taking:

none.

It may be relevent if it is shown Travon to be high.

The body did test positive for illegal drugs.

 

[scipio337]

It may be relevent if it is shown Travon to be high.

The body did test positive for illegal drugs.

I don’t think so, it was for (possibly very distant) past use. Trayvon was not high at the time.

I consider it irrelevant because it was from past usage, and unfortunately, not all that uncommon for kids of his age today.

I only mention it to point out the double standard. It’s been claimed that Zimmerman may have been “mentally ill” due to his prescribed Adderall and Temazepam, but there is no mention of the marijuana use, which has been linked to schizophrenia, psycosis, depression, and depersonalization disorder.

I don’t think drugs were any factor, for either person.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

You are spot on. It’s amazing how an interviewer and an interviewee could sit with a straight face through that particular segment. When in doubt, blame God…?

Are you going to deny that God had a role in it? If God didn’t have a role in this, what other things does He simply ignore because He is too busy?

 

[eternalrest]

Are you going to deny that God had a role in it? If God didn’t have a role in this, what other things does He simply ignore because He is too busy?

“God didn’t make us robots, he didn’t make us puppets,” said Father Tom Reese, a senior fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University.

“A key part of God’s plan is giving us freedom to make decisions. Sometimes those decisions are good and sometimes those decisions are bad," Reese said, explaining the Catholic teaching on the concept of free will.

“Obviously, not everything we do is part of God’s plan. Because sometimes we sin and that certainly is not part of God’s plan. It’s contrary to what God wants.”

Reese said Zimmerman’s sentiment is not an uncommon one among Christians. But the idea of a God who controls everything down to the last detail strikes Reese as an idea closer to Greek mythology than the God described in the Bible.

"It’s based on this idea of an absolute powerful God who always gets what he wants. When we read the Scriptures, we find out God doesn’t always get what he wants. He’s disappointed and upset when things go wrong,” he said.

“I think there’s an important insight that these people have, that is when things do go bad, when they go contrary to God’s plan, he can still make good things happen as a result," Reese said.

“When these terrible things happen, God can inspire people to respond to them with courage and compassion so that something positive can come out of something very negative," he added. ** "But it wasn’t part of God’s plan that this guy got killed. We can’t excuse what we do by saying that’s God’s plan.**”

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

eternalrest:
It is part of God’s plan to give Treyvon Martin and George Zimmerman free will to act within their conscience.

So, it IS part of God’s plan.

 

[kelvinf]

It is part of God’s plan to give Treyvon Martin and George Zimmerman free will to act within their conscience.

So, it IS part of God’s plan.

I think you are trying to rationalise God’s plan. Since God has given us free will (God’s plan as you say), then everything we do (good or evil) is part of God’s plan, which is not true.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I think you are trying to rationalise God’s plan. Since God has given us free will (God’s plan as you say), then everything we do (good or evil) is part of God’s plan, which is not true.

If God did not give us free will, who does it come from? And if God did not plan for evil, why did he give us His Son as expiation for that sin?

 

[eternalrest]

If God did not give us free will, who does it come from? And if God did not plan for evil, why did he give us His Son as expiation for that sin?

The same reason that a student who fails a class can sign up and retake it. The teacher doesn’t plan for the student to fail; the teacher wants the student to succeed, which is why the student gets a second chance to take the class.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

The same reason that a student who fails a class can sign up and retake it. The teacher doesn’t plan for the student to fail; the teacher wants the student to succeed, which is why the student gets a second chance to take the class.

And you have the forsight to know that this whole Zimmerman/Martin incident will NOT further God’s will for mankind somehow? Are you a prophet?!?!?!?! Are you a messenger from the Most High!

 

[kelvinf]

If you watched the interview, the “God’s plan” portion Zimmerman referred to was that it was “God’s plan” that he had the gun, or he may have been killed that night.

Did you listen to the interview? That was not even remotely the context of the comment.

The journalist asked him a sequence of questions:

Hannity> Is there anything you regret? Do you regret getting out of the car, to follow Trayvon that night?
Zimmerman> No Sir!
Hannity> Do you regret that you, you had a gun that night?
Zimmerman> No Sir!
Hannity> Do you feel you wouldn’t be here for this interview if you didn’t have that gun?
Zimmerman> No Sir!
Hannity> You feel you would not be here?
Zimmerman> I feel that it was all God’s plan…

Most people would take that to mean in entirety, it was God’s plan.

I really don’t know how you can interpret these without particularly having issues with his last statement. Even if you claim his last statement was in response to the last 2 questions, it still boils down to him insinuating that it was God’s plan for him to have had the gun that night and to kill Trayvon. It was him getting out of the car, following and subsequently killing Trayvon with [his gun] that led to this case.

No matter how you look it at: it being God’s plan for him to be alive at the expense of Trayvon’s life, is insulting!

Again, it’s horrible for him to say that God planned these sequence of events, which you can’t decouple.

 

[mtbender]

The journalist asked him a sequence of questions:

Hannity> Is there anything you regret? Do you regret getting out of the car, to follow Trayvon that night?
Zimmerman> No Sir!
Hannity> Do you regret that you, you had a gun that night?
Zimmerman> No Sir!
Hannity> Do you feel you wouldn’t be here for this interview if you didn’t have that gun?
Zimmerman> No Sir!
Hannity> You feel you would not be here?
Zimmerman> I feel that it was all God’s plan…

Most people would take that to mean in entirety, it was God’s plan.

I really don’t know how you can interpret these without particularly having issues with his last statement. Even if you claim his last statement was in response to the last 2 questions, it still boils down to him insinuating that it was God’s plan for him to have had the gun that night and to kill Trayvon. It was him getting out of the car, following and subsequently killing Trayvon with [his gun] that led to this case.

No matter how you look it at: it being God’s plan for him to be alive at the expense of Trayvon’s life, is insulting!

Again, it’s horrible for him to say that God planned these sequence of events, which you can’t decouple.

I don’t think it is at all insulting for someone to rationalize the trauma of a horrific event by turning to God. Would it be just as insulting to you if someone who lost a child in car accident made the same statement? Or can only those who suffer a direct loss be anguished by this event? It seems insulting to me to attack someone for trying to rationalize their grief by turning to God. Where would you have them turn?

Do I agree with him? Not particularly – but I cannot fathom for the life of me how anyone can be insulted by a grieving person turning to our Lord to rationalize such a stressful event. Happens every day – just look at the interviews of the many widows and others who have lost loved ones – even if it was the result of their own free will. Or better yet, those who have used weapons in self-defense – in less controversial situations of course.

 

[mtbender]

Again, before going around throwing insults - “outlandish”. Let’s focus on TRUTH. Are any of my claims false? If so, which ones?

Let’s look at them one by one.

1. the former sheriff/federal agent instead took the murderer inside of his house to shelter him - yes, EXCUSE ME, it was a “deputy” sheriff, not a sheriff. Typos happen.
2. and where the murderer and the former police chief exchange pleasantries via email about another similar case where an innocent homeless man is beaten but the person who beats him, the son of a police lieutenant, receives no charges?

So… which one is not TRUE?

Well the obvious falsity here would be the use of the term “murderer” – unless of course he has already been convicted of a crime someplace other than in your mind.

 

[scipio337]

Well the obvious falsity here would be the use of the term “murderer” – unless of course he has already been convicted of a crime someplace other than in your mind.

Yes. Because in another thread, he proposes George Zimmerman = James Holmes (Dark Knight shooting suspect).

Because “both cases are homicides”.