Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist

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rlg94086 said:
Obama is also white, then.
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Well i suppose he is.

Just because Zimmerman is not completely white means it’s not racist? What a latino can’t be racist against African-Americans?🤷

lol now you look ridiculous
 
SwissGuard25 said:
Well i suppose he is.

Just because Zimmerman is not completely white means it’s not racist? What a latino can’t be racist against African-Americans?🤷

lol now you look ridiculous
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I never said it wasn’t possible for a non-white to be racist. 🤷

“Completely white?” lol…do tell. I bet Obama wishes he was “completely black” or “completely white.” 😛
 
rlg94086 said:
I never said it wasn’t possible for a non-white to be racist. 🤷

“Completely white?” lol…do tell. I bet Obama wishes he was “completely black” or “completely white.” 😛
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lol then why did you say Zimmerman isn’t white by liberal standards? Why would you need to tell me he isn’t completely white?

Who cares what Obama’s race is? His politics are terrible. He has done some good things ill give him that, but the majority is bad. Forcing Catholics institutions to offer birth control and abortion. HA! Why don’t you just make Jews put a swastika in their Synagogues.
 
SwissGuard25 said:
lol then why did you say Zimmerman isn’t white by liberal standards? Why would you need to tell me he isn’t completely white?
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I didn’t tell you he “isn’t completely white.” 🤷

You said he was white, when you claimed that some posters here are Republicans who “defend every white person in America.” You then agreed with the idea that Obama is white, based on your odd sense of racial identity. I never said “Obama is white.” I merely stated he is logically, based on your statement that Zimmerman is white. I, like most people, would recognize them both as mixed race.

Now, based on your logic:

Republican posters defend every white person in America.
Zimmerman is white.
Obama is white.
Therefore, Republicans defend Obama.

Of course, we all know that Republicans don’t defend Obama, so we know that your comments are illogical. Add that to your “completely white” comment and the very odd swasika/synagogue comment, and we all have an interesting look into how your brain works.
 
Whether he’s racist or not, if he had listened to the dispatcher and stayed in the vehicle until police arrived none of this would have happened.
 
rlg94086 said:
He’s being tried for Murder in the 2nd degree. He doesn’t have to “prove” self defense. He has to make a compelling case, but not prove it. To be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, the prosecution has to prove their case. If the defense provides enough doubt, the jury should find him not guilty. That, of course, assumes the jury isn’t made up of people like you and child_of_God85, who have already determined his guilt before even having a trial…
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Hopefully, the jury will consist of people who put commonsense before personal agendas. If his defense is SYG, he will have to convince the jury that he feared for his life. If that were not so, then anyone could go crazy and shoot whoever he disliked, then sit back and wait for the prosecution to prove there was no threat to his life…
 
Whether or not it was racially motivated, he needs hard prison time because it was hate motivated. He himself said that it was God’s will that he kill Trayvon. Some people here seem to he forgetting that the real and only victim is dead.
 
SwissGuard25 said:
Are you serious?

Of course it was about race! He’s a racist. What because you guys are republicans you have to defend every white person in America

In all seriousness though. How could one not think it wasn’t even a little about race, I mean he probably saw thousands of white people at night, but then the one African-American shows up and he is apparently suspicious
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I see no problem with your identification of him as white, since apparently that was the race used in the police report.

Based on early interviews of Zimmerman’s defenders which I saw before this became a racial storm, it seems a case of racial profiling pure and simple.

One does not have to be racist to racially profile; a person of any race can racially profile; a charitable, civic minded, churchgoing citizen can racially profile; there is not one personal characteristic I can think of which precludes racial profiling.
 
maryjk said:
You can’t force someone to go to the ER. They offered to take him, he said no.

It happens. I refused once after a car accident. Was it smart? No. But it was my choice.
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Had you been involved in a SYG situation when you made that choice?

Imagine for a moment that you were…One minute you’re so scared for your brain function/life that you take a kid’s life - the next minute you’re fine enough to go home and shower after answering some questions?!
 
seekerz said:
Hopefully, the jury will consist of people who put commonsense before personal agendas. If his defense is SYG, he will have to convince the jury that he feared for his life. If that were not so, then anyone could go crazy and shoot whoever he disliked, then sit back and wait for the prosecution to prove there was no threat to his life…
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Personal agendas? What possible personal agenda would a juror have in a case like that? 😛

I agree that it should be people with common sense who will assess the evidence and arguments presented, rather than doing so before any argument has been made.

Again, whatever defense he makes, he only has to create reasonable doubt. That is why I see the case as being difficult for the prosecution.
 
SwissGuard25 said:
Just because Zimmerman is not completely white means it’s not racist?
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Fortunately there are few people that decide upon a prejudice based upon the skin color of the accused.

I do not believe Zimmerman to be racist because of his actions in previous years as well as his ongoing actions mentoring black youths.
 
Seeker1961 said:
Whether he’s racist or not, if he had listened to the dispatcher and stayed in the vehicle until police arrived none of this would have happened.
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Perhaps.
And I am sure that he will be playing a vicious game of ‘what if’ in his head for years to come.

But that action was neither a crime or negligent.
 
seekerz said:
Imagine for a moment that you were…One minute you’re so scared for your brain function/life that you take a kid’s life - the next minute you’re fine enough to go home and shower after answering some questions?!
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You are making up evidence again.

We have no way of knowing what was going through his mind or that he was “fine enough to go home and shower”

We only know that he refused ER treatment.
 
vz71 said:
You are making up evidence again.

We have no way of knowing what was going through his mind or that he was “fine enough to go home and shower”

We only know that he refused ER treatment.
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I wasn’t aware I was presenting evidence. He did go home that night though, didn’t he?

The point is that injuries severe enough to justify taking a child’s life must surely be severe enough for a person in their right mind to find an ER at the earliest. Commonsense - not evidence.
 
rlg94086 said:
Personal agendas? What possible personal agenda would a juror have in a case like that? 😛
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What possible agenda could the people who set out to defame a dead kid have? Is it impossible that they find themselves in the jury pool?
Again, whatever defense he makes, he only has to create reasonable doubt. That is why I see the case as being difficult for the prosecution.
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Not if his defense in SYG, at least according to my limited understanding of the law. HE has the duty of convincing the jury that he truly believed his life to have been in danger (rather than the prosecution having to prove the opposite). Refusing to go to the ER argues against a fear of life-threatening injuries.
 
seekerz said:
What possible agenda could the people who set out to defame a dead kid have? Is it impossible that they find themselves in the jury pool?
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I have no idea? I’m not seeing how your question answers my question. 😛
seekerz said:
Not if his defense in SYG, at least according to my limited understanding of the law. HE has the duty of convincing the jury that he truly believed his life to have been in danger (rather than the prosecution having to prove the opposite). Refusing to go to the ER argues against a fear of life-threatening injuries.
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Well, I’m not an attorney and didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I’ve never heard that the “beyond a reasonable doubt” requirement to convict someone for murder is dropped because they brought up a particular defense. Is it similar to an insanity plea?

Are there any attorneys reading the thread that can answer seekerz and my concerns on this one?
 
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