Women's jumpers: YEAH or NAY

[kbharbert]

LOL It had to be a man. So I get even when I purchase his undies.

**:dancing:
**

 

[Denae]

they aren’t.
‘dangerous’ would have been a better word.
you have to be EXTRA careful going up and downstairs or while working around things the extra material may get caught in.

I was gonna say…I’m short, so everything I wear is long, I know all about the dangers of a long skirt or even pants!

 

[Jacafamala]

**so it’s not just ME that finds what HUBBY likes a tad less than comfortable???
you just KNOW it was a man who designed the thong.
(and even if it wasn’t…i don’t care! )
as for slips…
try the ‘better’ stores in your local mall.
usually their prices are WAY out of MY league BUT…especially the day after Christmas…there are AMAZING price cuts.
another option (as i’m sure you already know) is mail order.
vermont country store is a good source.
**

Sears sells slips of various lenths; black white and beige.

 

[Jacafamala]

**sign me up!!! **

You go, girl…Now we need to come up with a mission statement and philosohpy, what do you think?

Pax Christi,
Ann

 

[kbharbert]

You go, girl…Now we need to come up with a mission statement and philosohpy, what do you think?

Pax Christi,
Ann

**i’m not sure but i know ‘wash ‘n’ wear’ and ‘wicked undies’ should be in there somewhere.:whacky:
**

 

[kbharbert]

I was gonna say…I’m short, so everything I wear is long, I know all about the dangers of a long skirt or even pants!

**i know what you mean. i’m 5-3 and things are usually too long for me as well.
i avoid SOME of that by buying petite sizes for pants and skirts but sometimes they don’t come in plus which i need.
i think the MAIN thing with length is to watch for slits up the side and back.
a kick pleat is one thing but all the way up the thigh just defeats the ‘modest’ purpose.
**

 

[laudamus_te]

Unfortunately, going by the artificial “Marylike Modesty” standards that many trads today insist on upholding as the “rule of modest dress”, many perfectly modest and charming outfits would never make the cut.

The dress I’m wearing today, for example, would not pass muster in many traditionalist circles. It ends right below my kneecap (eight inches below the knee is almost ankle-length on me), the sleeves are short and not 3/4, and the neckline is a total of four fingers width below my collarbone rather than the acceptable two (yes, I measured ).

The funny thing is, I collect vintage clothing and this dress is from the early 1940’s - hardly an era where rampant immodesty flourished.

I do, personally, uphold the “Marylike Standards of Modesty” for myself. I take very seriously Our Lady’s message at Fatima that immodest fashions offend Our Lord very much. I realize that people can have varying ideas of what “modest” is. I have found that I now feel quite immodest in what most here describe as modest for themselves, and what I used to wear up until only a year or so ago. I’m not saying you or anyone needs to have the same standards as me… just presenting my viewpoint for what it’s worth.

Actually, clothing from the 40s era was not necessarily modest, though it was generally more modest than clothing from the 20s and 30s, when hemlines went way up, arms were bared, and women generally went into “liberation” mode. The 50s were quite immodest, except that up until that time women still generally had the proper attitudes in many respects, for example it was still pretty common for a woman to cover herself with a jacket or sweater when going out, hats and gloves were still used.

I make a lot of my own clothes, I have sewn since I was a child so it’s easy for me. But there’s nothing easier for anyone to make than a simple, elastic-waist skirt in a below-the-knee length. It can be done in less than an hour. Having a good eye for fabric helps, however.

As far as the comfort factor, I am usually perfectly comfortable although I never wear a neckline that is lower than 2 or 3 fingers from the throat and I don’t go out of doors in sleeves shorter than a couple of inches above the elbow. But I will always cover my arms at least to the elbow in church, I just feel that it is more proper. I prefer longer sleeves in the summer, actually, when going out since I like to protect my skin from the sun. Sometimes I suffer from hot flashes (I’m at that stage of life), and would love nothing more than to strip down to the barest minimum, but I use such times as opportunities to offer up that little bit of suffering, which is so miniscule compared to what Our Lord endured.

Again, I am not dictating to anyone what they should or should not wear. I do take offense at the put-downs that come from people who do not agree with those who hold my opinions on modesty. I would not think of calling women by unflattering names who wear what I consider to be less-than-modest clothing, so why must people like myself always be labeled as “puritan”, “Amish”, “dowdy”, “frumpy” or worse?

 

[Jacafamala]

**i’m not sure but i know ‘wash ‘n’ wear’ and ‘wicked undies’ should be in there somewhere.:whacky:
**

Well, I tell you what: I just ordered two (2), not one denim overall jumpers (one light, one dark) on sale. They have a tierd skirt. And I think they’re dang cute…dang cute. So there, ya’ll.

Can I be first year president of the Guild?
Pax Christi,
Ann

 

[kbharbert]

Well, I tell you what: I just ordered two (2), not one denim overall jumpers (one light, one dark) on sale. They have a tierd skirt. And I think they’re dang cute…dang cute. So there, ya’ll.

Can I be first year president of the Guild?
Pax Christi,
Ann

**i would not have a problem with that.:hug3: **

 

[Jacafamala]

**i would not have a problem with that.:hug3: **

Cool. And will the guild ladies buy me a silver patter when my year is up?

Pax Christi,
Ann
Who says ‘yeah’ to jumpers.

 

[Jacafamala]

I do, personally, uphold the “Marylike Standards of Modesty” for myself. I take very seriously Our Lady’s message at Fatima that immodest fashions offend Our Lord very much. I realize that people can have varying ideas of what “modest” is. I have found that I now feel quite immodest in what most here describe as modest for themselves, and what I used to wear up until only a year or so ago. I’m not saying you or anyone needs to have the same standards as me… just presenting my viewpoint for what it’s worth.

Actually, clothing from the 40s era was not necessarily modest, though it was generally more modest than clothing from the 20s and 30s, when hemlines went way up, arms were bared, and women generally went into “liberation” mode. The 50s were quite immodest, except that up until that time women still generally had the proper attitudes in many respects, for example it was still pretty common for a woman to cover herself with a jacket or sweater when going out, hats and gloves were still used.

I make a lot of my own clothes, I have sewn since I was a child so it’s easy for me. But there’s nothing easier for anyone to make than a simple, elastic-waist skirt in a below-the-knee length. It can be done in less than an hour. Having a good eye for fabric helps, however.

As far as the comfort factor, I am usually perfectly comfortable although I never wear a neckline that is lower than 2 or 3 fingers from the throat and I don’t go out of doors in sleeves shorter than a couple of inches above the elbow. But I will always cover my arms at least to the elbow in church, I just feel that it is more proper. I prefer longer sleeves in the summer, actually, when going out since I like to protect my skin from the sun. Sometimes I suffer from hot flashes (I’m at that stage of life), and would love nothing more than to strip down to the barest minimum, but I use such times as opportunities to offer up that little bit of suffering, which is so miniscule compared to what Our Lord endured.

Again, I am not dictating to anyone what they should or should not wear. I do take offense at the put-downs that come from people who do not agree with those who hold my opinions on modesty. I would not think of calling women by unflattering names who wear what I consider to be less-than-modest clothing, so why must people like myself always be labeled as “puritan”, “Amish”, “dowdy”, “frumpy” or worse?

Don’t even let it bother you. If you’re dressing for the Blessed Mother, then I sure she’s very pleased. And that’s beautiful.
Pax Christi,
Ann

 

[laudamus_te]

Don’t even let it bother you. If you’re dressing for the Blessed Mother, then I sure she’s very pleased. And that’s beautiful.
Pax Christi,
Ann

Thank you.

 

[kbharbert]

I do, personally, uphold the “Marylike Standards of Modesty” for myself. I take very seriously Our Lady’s message at Fatima that immodest fashions offend Our Lord very much. I realize that people can have varying ideas of what “modest” is. I have found that I now feel quite immodest in what most here describe as modest for themselves, and what I used to wear up until only a year or so ago. I’m not saying you or anyone needs to have the same standards as me… just presenting my viewpoint for what it’s worth.

Actually, clothing from the 40s era was not necessarily modest, though it was generally more modest than clothing from the 20s and 30s, when hemlines went way up, arms were bared, and women generally went into “liberation” mode. The 50s were quite immodest, except that up until that time women still generally had the proper attitudes in many respects, for example it was still pretty common for a woman to cover herself with a jacket or sweater when going out, hats and gloves were still used.

I make a lot of my own clothes, I have sewn since I was a child so it’s easy for me. But there’s nothing easier for anyone to make than a simple, elastic-waist skirt in a below-the-knee length. It can be done in less than an hour. Having a good eye for fabric helps, however.

As far as the comfort factor, I am usually perfectly comfortable although I never wear a neckline that is lower than 2 or 3 fingers from the throat and I don’t go out of doors in sleeves shorter than a couple of inches above the elbow. But I will always cover my arms at least to the elbow in church, I just feel that it is more proper. I prefer longer sleeves in the summer, actually, when going out since I like to protect my skin from the sun. Sometimes I suffer from hot flashes (I’m at that stage of life), and would love nothing more than to strip down to the barest minimum, but I use such times as opportunities to offer up that little bit of suffering, which is so miniscule compared to what Our Lord endured.

Again, I am not dictating to anyone what they should or should not wear. I do take offense at the put-downs that come from people who do not agree with those who hold my opinions on modesty. I would not think of calling women by unflattering names who wear what I consider to be less-than-modest clothing, so why must people like myself always be labeled as “puritan”, “Amish”, “dowdy”, “frumpy” or worse?

**i agree…calling others unflattering names isn’t very nice, is it?
rather ‘junior highish’.
i imagine the way ‘i’ dress wouldn’t pass muster with some of the more…shall we say…fashionable ladies.
it hurts my feelings sometimes.
especially when it’s family doing the name calling and trying to pass it all off as a big joke.
**

 

[MrsMW]

NO one should make fun of another person. Hello we are Catholic!

No matter what some are saying on this thread I don’t know of a jumper out there that looks flattering on a woman. There is a reason that the Mormons, protestants, Eastern Orthodox, and the orthodox jews all make fun of the jumper! Every group has a joke about them. The Mormons call the women who wear them Molly mormon.

I have heard many Trad Catholic men making fun of the women who dress so awful. They make jokes all the time.

When I went to the TLM before I got married (Byzantine Catholic now since I married) I could see planty of women who dressed with the “right” trad Catholic clothes but looked disgraceful. I may have been the rebel with my short sleeve shirt but at least I dressed up! Alot of these women looked like they were going to garden! If we as trads like beautiful churches why not try to have nice looking women.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

NO one should make fun of another person. Hello we are Catholic!

So true!

No matter what some are saying on this thread I don’t know of a jumper out there that looks flattering on a woman. There is a reason that the Mormons, protestants, Eastern Orthodox, and the orthodox jews all make fun of the jumper! Every group has a joke about them. The Mormons call the women who wear them Molly mormon.

LoL!!!

I have heard many Trad Catholic men making fun of the women who dress so awful. They make jokes all the time.

When I went to the TLM before I got married (Byzantine Catholic now since I married) I could see planty of women who dressed with the “right” trad Catholic clothes but looked disgraceful. I may have been the rebel with my short sleeve shirt but at least I dressed up! Alot of these women looked like they were going to garden! If we as trads like beautiful churches why not try to have nice looking women.

I think that is the true point of the thread. Not the jumper itself, but the connotations one sometimes brings with it. I see no problem with the jumper. I, personally, would never wear one, as I despise what the jumper does to my already ample figure. Some women, however, can carry them off.

On a side note:
Liturgical Dressing
Mary Dress
Mary Jumper
Thoughts?

 

[4HisChurch]

**i agree…calling others unflattering names isn’t very nice, is it?
rather ‘junior highish’.
i imagine the way ‘i’ dress wouldn’t pass muster with some of the more…shall we say…fashionable ladies.
it hurts my feelings sometimes.
especially when it’s family doing the name calling and trying to pass it all off as a big joke.
**

We must be from the same family.

 

[Sabda]

So true!

LoL!!!

I think that is the true point of the thread. Not the jumper itself, but the connotations one sometimes brings with it. I see no problem with the jumper. I, personally, would never wear one, as I despise what the jumper does to my already ample figure. Some women, however, can carry them off.

On a side note:
Liturgical Dressing
Mary Dress
Mary Jumper
Thoughts?

The Mary dress/jumper is very interesting. I have tried my hand at making somethings. I just may have to give this a try. One thing that drives me nuts is why do they not make cotton slips anymore? Cotton is soooooo much cooler in the summer than that satin type material they use for slips today. I have looked for a slip pattern to try and make my own cotton slips. Unfortunately they don’t make them. You can find them for little girls but not women. I ended up using a sundress pattern which worked well. That Mary dress looks fairly easy to make.

I have found that long dresses are far cooler in the summer than any pair of pants/shorts you can wear. Long dresses are loose therefore allowing air to circulate around your body. They also cover you so they keep the sun off therefore keeping you cooler. However, I do still wear my jeans. Nothing wrong with them either.

 

[fin]

what i don’t understanmd is the part about “8 inches below the knee”.

hellooo??? who don’t you just say"ankle-length">

 

[tcraig]

Again, I am not dictating to anyone what they should or should not wear. I do take offense at the put-downs that come from people who do not agree with those who hold my opinions on modesty. I would not think of calling women by unflattering names who wear what I consider to be less-than-modest clothing, so why must people like myself always be labeled as “puritan”, “Amish”, “dowdy”, “frumpy” or worse?

It is good that you don’t dictate to others what they should wear. Unfortunately, not everyone shares your opinion. I knew a woman who was literally hounded out of her SSPX parish because she wore pants. At my previous TLM parish, there was a group of “Marylike Modest” dressers who would go around telling other women (even newcomers) how their clothing did not fit those particular modesty standards. It got to the point where our priest had to make an announcement from the pulpit that he was responsible for sheperding the souls in that parish, and it was his job to correct someone if their clothing was less than modest.

I would never, and have never, called someone an unflattering name or commented on her clothing in person. Good manner alone would prevent that. But if someone asks for an opinion in a (relatively anonymous) public forum, then I will share mine. I think many of the “modest dressers” found in fundamentalist protestant and Mormon churches and many traditionalist Catholics dress in a spectactularly unlovely way. This is, obviously, my opinion - but it is one that is apparently shared by many. I think our puritan underpinnings affect how we see “modest dress” in the U.S.

 

[Zooey]

Thank for the info. I have actually tried several Lane Bryant styles of shorts, and they look fine when I’m standing up, but as soon as I sit down, they go way, way too far up! Plus, I’ve been wanting to add something to my wardrobe that was, at least a little, more feminine. This is the jumper I got…

http://media.redcatsusa.com/is/imag...60_mm.jpg?wid=230&hei=331&qlt=95&op_sharpen=1 (Except the one I got is just plain denim, no floral pattern.)

Why do people think jumpers are dowdy/frumpy?

Tif

You might check out Mormon sites for modest shorts. They have strict dress codes, & many times, have very nice long shorts. There is actually a store near here, where they sell modest clothing, made to Mormon specifications. I think the name is something like “Great Lengths”.
Just though t this might help you or someone else…